Light in changing magnetic field

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of light passing through a changing magnetic field, exploring theoretical implications, experimental observations, and the nature of electromagnetic waves. Participants consider various scenarios, including the behavior of light in vacuum and the interaction of electromagnetic waves.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that light passing through a changing magnetic field will not change its frequency or energy if in a vacuum, as the wave has no charge and is unaffected by electric fields.
  • Others propose that a changing magnetic field produces an electromagnetic wave, leading to questions about how this occurs and the implications for light behavior.
  • One participant notes that the sum of two waves can produce different visual colors, raising questions about the interaction of light waves and their perceived frequencies.
  • Another participant discusses Maxwell's equations, explaining that a changing magnetic field induces a changing electric field, which perpetuates the generation of electromagnetic waves.
  • There is a mention of amplitude modulation and how it relates to the perception of frequency changes in wave envelopes, drawing parallels to sound waves.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether light changes when passing through a changing magnetic field, with some asserting no change occurs while others explore the implications of electromagnetic wave interactions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific effects on light.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference experimental observations and theoretical principles, but there are limitations in the assumptions made about the conditions under which light interacts with magnetic fields. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of wave interactions or the specific mechanisms involved.

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what will happen if light passes through changing magnetic field?
 
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same thing that happens when a beam of light crosses another beam of light.
 
spidey said:
what will happen if light passes through changing magnetic field?
Assuming it's in a vacuum, i.e. a charge-free space, it keeps on going straight with no change in frequency.
 
Astronuc said:
Assuming it's in a vacuum, i.e. a charge-free space, it keeps on going straight with no change in frequency.

Hi Astronuc..why there is no change at all in light in changing magnetic field..are there any reasons behind this?
 
yes. the wave has no charge. only charged particles are affected by electric fields.

you may as well ask why water waves pass right through one another without interacting.
 
You do get a change in colour when you mix different coloured lights together.
 
spidey said:
what will happen if light passes through changing magnetic field?

what i meant,will there be any change in the frequency or energy of light after passing through changing magnetic field
 
spidey said:
what i meant,will there be any change in the frequency or energy of light after passing through changing magnetic field

A changing magnetic field will produce an electromagnetic wave. So your question is basically asking what happens when two electromagentic waves meet each other.

1) Maxwell's (vacuum) wave equation is linear, which means that two waves which are themselves solutions (ie. physically possible) can be added together to produce another wave which is also a solution.

2) A sinusoidal wave of any frequency is a solution of the wave equation.

3) This means that any electromagnetic wave, no matter how complex, can be considered to be due to the addition of many sinusoidal waves of different frequencies. In this sense, sinusoidal waves "preserve their identity" and hence "preserve their frequency" even when they sum into a very complex wave.

This is not true for electromagnetic waves (at high intensities) in materials, nor is it true for water waves - the wave equations there are nonlinear.

So why is the sum of two waves a different visual colour? Well, each wave itself stimulates a particular colour receptor in your retina. Different combinations of waves stimulate different combinations of colour receptors, and what colour you see is really a biological question (and there are interesting effects where light of the same wavelength appears a different colour depending on the colour of its surroundings):http://www.designmatrix.com/pl/cyberpl/cic.html.
 
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atyy said:
So why is the sum of two waves a different visual colour? Well, each wave itself stimulates a particular colour receptor in your retina. Different combinations of waves stimulate different combinations of colour receptors, and what colour you see is really a biological question (and there are interesting effects where light of the same wavelength appears a different colour depending on the colour of its surroundings):http://www.designmatrix.com/pl/cyberpl/cic.html.
That's interesting. I always thought that the two different waves mix with each other to form one with a different frequency.
 
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spidey said:
How is that changing magnetic field will create an eletromagnetic wave?

We don't know how. It's is experimental observation which is encoded in two of the Maxwell equations:

1) A changing magnetic field produces a changing electric field (Faraday's law).
2) A changing current or a changing electric field produces a changing magnetic field (Ampere-Maxwell law).

So those two laws together say: a changing magnetic field produces a changing electric field produces a changing magnetic field produces a changing electric field produces ... [ad infinitum].

The infinitely propagating change in electric and magnetic fields is what we call an electromagnetic wave.

Every time you turn a current on, the current creates a magnetic field (don't ask why, it's just another experimental fact which we know how to describe mathematically). The creation of a magnetic field is, of course, a change of the magnetic field, and therefore creates an electromagentic waves. This is the fundamental idea behind radio broadcasting.
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/radio5.htm
 
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Maxwell's Equations. Loosely speaking, equation III says that a time-varying magnetic field produces an electric field, and equation IV says that a time-varying electric field produces a magnetic field.

Maxwell put forth these equations in the 1860s as a unifying theory of observations of electric and magnetic phenomena that were available at that time. He showed mathematically that they imply the existence of self-propagating collections of electric and magnetic fields: the changing electric field produces a changing magnetic field which in turn produces a changing electric field which in turn produces...
 
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Defennder said:
That's interesting. I always thought that the two different waves mix with each other to form one with a different frequency.

Perhaps you're thinking of amplitude modulation. The Fourier frequencies of the wave don't change, but the frequency of the wave envelope changes.

There's a similar thing in sound. The envelope of two nearby frequencies will beat. If your "ear" is not able to resolve the frequencies, but only hears their envelope, then you will hear the beating (both frequencies within a critical band). If your "ear" is able to resolve the frequencies, it will not hear any beat (frequencies separated by a critical band).
http://www.sfu.ca/sonic-studio/handbook/Critical_Band.html
 

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