Lightspeed is 0 I will proof that

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The discussion revolves around the assertion that the speed of light could be 0 or 1, with participants exploring the implications of these claims on the nature of movement, time, and light. The conversation includes theoretical considerations, thought experiments, and challenges to the initial claims, touching on concepts from relativity and quantum mechanics.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that if lightspeed is 0, then movement should also be zero, suggesting a relationship between time and speed.
  • Another participant challenges the initial claim, questioning the lack of clarity regarding units and the assertion that lightspeed should be 0 or 1.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that if objects of zero rest mass shrink at a slower rate, they could appear to expand, raising questions about the nature of mass and energy.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of viewing time as a train, questioning how slowing down affects the perception of time and distance.
  • Another participant suggests that if light is perceived to stay in one place while observers shrink, it could explain the appearance of light moving at the speed of light.
  • There are claims that 1 could represent the slowest speed possible, while others argue against this by stating that speeds lower than light exist.
  • One participant introduces the idea of acceleration speed for light, questioning how two sources of light could interact.
  • A later reply emphasizes the need for clarity in discussing light's speed and its relationship to different units of measurement.
  • Another participant raises philosophical questions about the nature of a photon and its properties, linking it to quantum mechanics and the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature of light's speed, with no consensus reached on whether it can be considered 0 or 1, or what implications these claims have. The discussion remains unresolved with ongoing debate and exploration of ideas.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about definitions and units of measurement, and there are unresolved mathematical and conceptual steps in the arguments presented. The discussion reflects a variety of interpretations and speculative reasoning without definitive conclusions.

  • #31
And by the application of different types of coordinate transformations (translation, rotation, reflection, scaling), it appears that the metric can change only by the scaling transformation and that is the purpose of renormalization.
 
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  • #32
Localized time(or any function for that matter) may be manipulated in any way one desires for specific results, but in no way does it alter it's dependence, and inherent relationship, with the universe.
To justify otherwise, you must show complete and discreet separateness. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that such discreetness exists, thus any theory based on that fails by virtue of foundation. Do you offer ANY evidence? I mean REAL evidence, not localized mathematical equations.
 
  • #33
pallidin said:
I mean REAL evidence, not localized mathematical equations.

I wish I was born an experimentalist so that I can find some physical proofs for you. But the problem is that I am really a localized being and in comparison to the entire universe, I am truly a mathematical point. I need to reach the other side of the universe, at its boundary (if there is one?) and also looking in from the outside in order to know what the universe really looks like by me separating with it.
 
  • #34
There is a saying that says: you cannot step into the same river twice. I have the same problem with the river of time. What I did I cannot undo and all regrets are just furhter wastes of time.
 
  • #35
All is good. After all, this is Theory Development and most everything is welcome for consideration. In regular life I suppose we call it "brain-storming", wherein all the facts might not be there but we nonetheless toss about the idea(s) both for intellectual enjoyment and potential discovery. I love it!
 
  • #36
I will try to explain how we see things while light is standing still. Imagine that we are moving throu a tunnel with lightspeed. We only can look in forward direction.

Everything that is back of us is past time and everything in front of us is future. We only can observe the point of now. Your eyes are picking up the energy of everything in front of you.

Because you are moving in the same direction off all mass you pick up their energie when you pass the place where everything in front of you was before. The object leafs a bitt of there mass in a form of energy as light.

Because the tunnel is getting thinner each second thing in front of you appear smaller when your eyes pick up their energie. If you move to an object your getting closer into the same time, so thing are getting bigger into the same proportions as you.

Try to see this as falling down from the sky with some parachutists. When you all fall the same speed it seems like your're not moving. The same thing is happening without whole planet inc the sun and all other mass.

The light we see is just a trail of energy witch other mass has left before us. For this reason we see everything always a bit later as the real time. But then so that how closer objects are near each other how smaller the time difference.

Because this tunnel has some kind of curve and we are moving with the maximum speed when we are not moving agains this speed we all notice more our less the same speed of time. What now hapeens when you move is that you take a shorter way throu this tunnel, you move against the curve but slow down in speed. By lightspeed you would stand still in this tunnel. So speeding is slowing down in time.

If you stop speeding agains time you have taken a shorter way throu this tunnel but will end at the same point at someone's time wo was "not" moving. For this reason space travellers notice a time difference with people who where not moving.

Sorry for my bad enlisch but I hope I made my theory more clear.
 
  • #37
rudeonline said:
but I hope I made my theory more clear.

In a sense, your theory is just like Einstein's theories without the math.
 
  • #38
If light speed were zero, there would be no time,
and I believe my message came after yours. :wink:
 
  • #39
drag said:
If light speed were zero, there would be no time,
and I believe my message came after yours. :wink:

I try to explain that we are moving 300.000 km/sec and that the lightspeed is zero. In my theory we are traveling throu a tunnel and everything is in front of you in the tunnel. If you leaf a message with lightspeed it will stand still in the tunnel. If I travel behind you with the same speed as you I will pick up the signal with my own speed, 300.000 km/sec.
 
  • #40
This makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever. It is so bizarre in its suggested foundation that I must exit stage-left for more fertile, reasonable and sane grounds of inquiry.
 
  • #41
x + y = x/y
x = x/x
y = y/y
c = x/y

If lightspeed is 300.000 km/sec time and space are 1.

300.000 km + 1 sec = 300.000 km/sec

300.000/300.000 + 1/1 = 1 distance/sec
1`+ 1 = 1/1
2 + 2 = 2/2
3 + 3 = 3/3
only 0 + 0 = 0
Lightspeed is zero. Time to wake up.
 
  • #42
rudeonline said:
x + y = x/y
x = x/x
y = y/y
c = x/y

If lightspeed is 300.000 km/sec time and space are 1.

300.000 km + 1 sec = 300.000 km/sec

300.000/300.000 + 1/1 = 1 distance/sec
1`+ 1 = 1/1
2 + 2 = 2/2
3 + 3 = 3/3
only 0 + 0 = 0
Lightspeed is zero. Time to wake up.

There is no way someone is this stupid. He has to be trolling.

RULE: x/x = 1, except when x = 0
RULE: x + x = 2x
IF x/x = x+x then 2x = 1 thus X = 1/2 = 0.5

1 + 1 = 2
1 / 1 = 1
2 IS NOT EQUAL TO 1

2 + 2 = 4
2 / 2 = 1
4 IS NOT EQUAL TO 1 :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile:

Oh, and by the way, 1 + -1 = 0, 2 + 3 + -5 = 0
Or maybe you meant:
2*x = 0
x = 0
 

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