Limit of (e-(1+x)^{1/x})/x as x approaches 0

  • Thread starter Thread starter ehrenfest
  • Start date Start date
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the limit of the expression \(\frac{e - (1+x)^{1/x}}{x}\) as \(x\) approaches 0. The subject area includes calculus, specifically limits and derivatives.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore whether the limit can be approached as a derivative, with some questioning the applicability of L'Hôpital's rule. Others suggest using the squeeze theorem and discuss the complexity of calculations involved in applying L'Hôpital's rule multiple times.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes various attempts to analyze the limit, with some participants providing insights into potential methods, such as L'Hôpital's rule and the squeeze theorem. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach, but several lines of reasoning are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the original poster may not have learned L'Hôpital's rule yet, which could affect their approach. There is also mention of theoretical questions from Rudin's book being more valuable than computational problems.

ehrenfest
Messages
2,001
Reaction score
1
[SOLVED] rudin 8.5a

Homework Statement


Find the following limit:

[tex]\lim_{x \to 0} \frac{e-(1+x)^{1/x}}{x}[/tex]

Homework Equations


[tex]e = \lim_{x\to 0} (1+x)^{1/x}[/tex]

[tex]a^b = e^{b \log a}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


Is this the derivative of something? I doubt it is but that is the only way I would know how to do this.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
anyone?
 
Well, you could use l'hopital rule here, but I guess you haven't learned it yet.
besides this I don't see a handy trick here.
 
loop quantum gravity said:
Well, you could use l'hopital rule here, but I guess you haven't learned it yet.
besides this I don't see a handy trick here.

Of course I know l'Hopital. Using it here requires me to calculate:

[tex]\lim_{x \to 0} \left(\frac{1}{x+x^2}-\frac{\log (1+x)}{x^2} \right) \exp \frac{\log (1+x)}{x}[/tex]

which I have no idea how to do. Of course I could probably use l'Hopital again but then it would just get messier. Of course I only need to find the limit of the expression in parenthesis but I am not really even sure if that exists.
 
Last edited:
first show
e/(2/x+2)<e-(1+x)^(1/x)<e/(2/x+1)
then squeeze
 
the derivative of the numerator is:
(log(1+x)/x)'(-(1+x)^(1/x))=
(-(1+x)^(1/x))*((x/(1+x))-log(x+1))/x^2
now you should be taking l'hopital on :((x/(1+x))-log(x+1))/x^2
you can check if you got the right answer through mathematica.

p.s
you shouldn't pay much attention to those cacluations' problems, pay more attention to theoretical questions in rudin's book.
 
loop quantum gravity said:
now you should be taking l'hopital on :((x/(1+x))-log(x+1))/x^2

Yay, I got it:

[tex]\lim_{x \to 0} \frac{(x/(1+x))-\log(x+1)}{x^2} = \lim_{x \to 0} \frac{1/(1+x)^2-1/(1+x)}{2x} = \lim_{x \to 0} \frac{-2/(1+x)^3+1/(1+x)^2}{2} = -1/2[/tex]

So the answer is e/2. Apparently lurflurf was right but I have no idea how he got those inequalities.I think these computational problems are good preparation for the Putnam.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
4K
Replies
7
Views
2K
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K