Limit of the nth root of (n ln n)

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The problem involves finding the limit of the nth root of the expression \(n \ln(n)\) as \(n\) approaches infinity, with specific constraints against using L'Hospital's Rule or Taylor Series.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the potential use of the Squeeze Theorem and logarithmic manipulation to find the limit. There are attempts to establish inequalities and explore the relationship between \(n\) and \(\ln(n)\). Questions arise about proving certain inequalities and the applicability of definitions related to exponential functions.

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The discussion is active with various approaches being explored, including logarithmic transformations and inequalities. Some participants provide insights into proving specific inequalities, while others express uncertainty about the methods available given the constraints of the problem.

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Participants note that the question is situated within the Limits chapter of their textbook, which may limit the techniques available for proving certain inequalities. There is a recognition of the need to adhere to the homework guidelines while exploring different mathematical concepts.

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Homework Statement



Find lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \sqrt[n]{n ln(n)}.
Do not use L'Hospital's Rule or Taylor Series.

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I suspect I need to set up some inequality for this and then apply Squeeze Theorem. But I can't find any inequality that can help me do this. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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Start by taking the log of the expression and trying find the limit of that.
 
You should find something like:

n \ln(L) = ln( n \cdot ln (n) ) = ln(n) + \ln(ln(n))
 
does
n<n log n<n^(1+epsilon)
help?
 
That's great. In either case, I need to use the fact that ln n < n for all n > 1. How do I prove this?
 
txy said:
That's great. In either case, I need to use the fact that ln n < n for all n > 1. How do I prove this?

If you need to prove it I think the easiest way is to define f(x)=x-ln(x). Notice f(1)=1. Now can you show f'(x)>0 for x>1? That would show f(x) is positive for x>1.
 
Dick said:
If you need to prove it I think the easiest way is to define f(x)=x-ln(x). Notice f(1)=1. Now can you show f'(x)>0 for x>1? That would show f(x) is positive for x>1.

But this question that I posed is in the Limits chapter of my textbook, which comes before the chapter on Differentiation. I wonder if there's another way to prove that inequality. Perhaps I could change it to the form x < e^x , but I still can't make any progress.
 
Ok, I think you might be fussing a little to much over this proof, but how about using the definition of e^x. e^x=limit (1+x/n)^n as n->infinity? Can you use that, together with the binomial theorem to prove e^x>x for x>0?
 
Dick said:
Ok, I think you might be fussing a little to much over this proof, but how about using the definition of e^x. e^x=limit (1+x/n)^n as n->infinity? Can you use that, together with the binomial theorem to prove e^x>x for x>0?

Yes now I can prove it. Thanks!
 

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