Limit of Wind Speed on Planets: Factors and Upper Bound Explanation

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The discussion centers around the limits of natural wind speeds on planets, exploring factors such as planetary rotation, atmospheric pressure differences, and potential upper bounds on wind speed. Participants consider various contexts, including Earth and other celestial bodies, while examining the implications of these factors on wind dynamics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether there is an upper limit to wind speed on a planetary scale, suggesting that the speed of sound might imply a limit, though they find this notion confusing.
  • Another participant counters that there are wind speeds in the solar system that exceed five times the speed of sound on Earth, implying that sound speed is not a limiting factor.
  • A participant mentions the solar wind, providing specific speed figures and suggesting that it can exceed 1000 km/s, which may not be directly relevant to planetary winds.
  • One participant emphasizes the focus on planetary winds, clarifying the topic of discussion.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of wind speeds in accretion disks, suggesting extremely high speeds, though this may extend beyond the original planetary context.
  • A participant discusses the limitations of wind speeds on Earth, noting that hurricanes dissipate rapidly upon encountering land due to energy loss.
  • One participant proposes that there is a limit on the angular velocity of planets that could affect wind speeds, and speculates about wind on neutron stars, arguing that the speed of sound is irrelevant in this context.
  • A participant concludes that there appears to be no limit to wind speed, aside from the speed of light, based on their review of examples.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether there is a definitive limit to wind speeds on planets, with some suggesting that there are no significant limits while others propose various constraints based on physical principles.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes references to specific phenomena such as solar wind and hurricanes, but the applicability of these examples to the broader question of planetary wind limits remains uncertain. Additionally, the implications of angular velocity and the behavior of winds in extreme environments like neutron stars are not fully resolved.

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Besides solar wind, what is the limit of a natural wind on planets? I know it's based on rotation and atmospheric pressure differences, but is there an upper limit to how fast wind can get on a planetary scale?

I would imagine that the speed of sound would justify a limit, but that doesn't make sense to me.
 
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I remember reading that there are wind speeds in our solar system that are 5 times the speed of sound on Earth, so no, I'd say that's not a limit.
 
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Solar wind is VERY fast ... at the time of typing this it is ...

Solar wind

speed: 369.9 km/sec

It can often exceed 1000 km/s with rare peaks to 3000km/s

do some googling on jet streams on Earth and wind speeds on Jupiter ... some respectable numbersDave
 
Oh, I was talking about winds on planets, since that's what the question was about.
 
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A good example of wind speed limitation here on Earth is that hurricanes and other cyclones always disintegrate rapidly when they encounter land masses.
A land mass cannot supply energy to the storm system to keep it going as a warm ocean does, and things like forests and mountain ranges are quite effective at draining away the energy which already is accumulated.
 
There is a limit on the angular velocity of any planets after which it would break up or become ovoid. That would limit the wind speed.

How about wind on a neutron star with equatorial velocity of c/10? Neutron stars have atmospheres of carbon gas. Though only a few inches thick, I don't see why there couldn't be wind.

The speed of sound would have nothing to do with it, since wind is molecules moving together, not oscillating.
 
Thanks for the responses everyone. After looking at some examples, there definitely doesn't appear to be a limit (other then the speed of light of course xd).
 

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