Limit problem with square root

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a limit problem involving square roots, specifically the expression of the difference between square roots and its implications in the context of limits as x approaches a. Participants explore the mathematical manipulation of the expression and the conditions under which certain assumptions can be made.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the expression |√x - √a| can be transformed into |x - a|/(√x - √a), suggesting a need for clarification on the manipulation.
  • Another participant proposes a method to express √x - √a using the identity (a+b)(a-b)=a²-b², leading to the form (x - a)/(√x + √a), but notes that the absolute value disappears in the denominator.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the assumptions regarding the positivity of √x - √a and √x + √a, particularly in the context of real numbers.
  • A later reply indicates that the original question was about proving the limit of √x as x approaches a equals √a, emphasizing the need for a formal ε-δ proof.
  • One participant acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the positivity of √x + √a and clarifies that this assumption is valid under the condition that x > 0.
  • Another participant mentions having previously completed the proof but made a mistake regarding the treatment of negatives in the context of absolute values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the manipulation of the expressions involving square roots and absolute values. There is no consensus on the assumptions regarding positivity, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the initial question's clarity.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem assumes a > 0 and that x is also expected to be positive, although these conditions are not explicitly stated in the original question.

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I have done this problem before but forgot how to get from one step to the next:

let a>0.

how is absval(x^1/2-a^1/2) equal to abval(x-a)/(x^1/2-a^1/2)?
 
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I think you want to express
$$\sqrt{x}-\sqrt{a}=\frac{(\sqrt{x}-\sqrt{a})(\sqrt{x}+\sqrt{a})}{\sqrt{x}+\sqrt{a}}=\frac{x-a}{\sqrt{x}+\sqrt{a}}$$
right? If so, it just applies the law ##(a+b)(a-b)=a^2-b^2.##
 
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They are not equal. What was the original question?
 
tommyxu3 said:
I think you want to express
$$\sqrt{x}-\sqrt{a}=\frac{(\sqrt{x}-\sqrt{a})(\sqrt{x}+\sqrt{a})}{\sqrt{x}+\sqrt{a}}=\frac{x-a}{\sqrt{x}+\sqrt{a}}$$
right? If so, it just applies the law ##(a+b)(a-b)=a^2-b^2.##
but the abs val goes away on the denom. that is what I don't understand, you can't assume root x - root a is positive
 
Rinzler09 said:
They are not equal. What was the original question?
let f(x) equal root x show that as x→a lim f(x) equals root a
 
chimath35 said:
let f(x) equal root x show that as x→a lim f(x) equals root a
also a>0
 
chimath35 said:
but the abs val goes away on the denom. that is what I don't understand, you can't assume root x - root a is positive
sorry I meant you can't assume root x plus root a is positive, if say c∈ℝ and c>0 then abs val(c⋅x)=c⋅abs val(x)
 
never mind I figured out, but thanks for the replies
 
To show ##\displaystyle{\lim_{x\rightarrow a}}\sqrt{x}=\sqrt{a},## you ought to prove for any ##x\in (a-\delta, a+\delta),## ##\exists \varepsilon## such that ##|f(x)-f(a)|<\varepsilon.##
 
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tommyxu3 said:
To show ##\displaystyle{\lim_{x\rightarrow a}}\sqrt{x}=\sqrt{a},## you ought to prove for any ##x\in (a-\delta, a+\delta),## ##\exists \varepsilon## such that ##|f(x)-f(a)|<\varepsilon.##
Thanks, yeah I have done this proof before. I just made a mistake thinking about negatives when clearly root x plus root a is always positive and therefore can be pulled out of the abs val
 
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chimath35 said:
Thanks, yeah I have done this proof before. I just made a mistake thinking about negatives when clearly root x plus root a is always positive and therefore can be pulled out of the abs val
I mean it assumes that x>0. The problem did not state that although I guess it is just assumed considering it is real analysis.
 

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