Limits of integration on Polar curves

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the limits of integration for polar curves, focusing on the integration of areas enclosed by these curves. Participants express confusion regarding the process and seek clarity on how to approach the topic.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to determine the limits of integration for polar curves, expressing confusion over existing explanations.
  • Another participant questions the definition of a polar curve, suggesting it might refer to a circle on the South pole or a trajectory in polar coordinates.
  • A clarification is provided that polar curves include any closed curve defined in polar coordinates, such as cardioids, limacons, and circles.
  • A participant inquires about the specific function to integrate, whether it be over the surface, boundary, or a vector function, and whether the focus is on circumference or area.
  • One participant mentions using the formula for the area enclosed by a polar curve, specifically Int(1/2 r^2) d theta, and expresses ambiguity in determining the limits of integration, preferring to develop an intuitive understanding rather than relying solely on graph tracing.
  • A later reply suggests that with concrete examples, participants can identify where misunderstandings may arise, noting that limits of integration typically range from 0 to 2π or from -π to +π, but expresses doubt about the helpfulness of this information.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method for determining limits of integration for polar curves, and multiple viewpoints regarding the definition and approach to integration remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the determination of limits of integration and the intuitive understanding of polar coordinates, indicating a reliance on graph tracing and personal experience.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in polar coordinates, integration techniques, and those seeking a deeper understanding of the mathematical concepts related to polar curves may find this discussion beneficial.

CrazyNeutrino
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General question, how do you determine the limits of integration of a polar curve? Always found this somewhat confusing and can't seem to find a decent explanation on the internet.
 
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What's a polar curve ? A circle on the South pole ? A trajectory described in polar coordinates ?
Please give a clearer description.
 
Oh sorry, any closed curve defined in Polar coordinates. Cardiods, limacons, circles, the works.
 
I should have asked straight away too: What is it you want to integrate ? some function over the surface, over the boundary ? A vector function ? Just the circumference or the area ?
 
The area enclosed by the Polar curve using Int(1/2 r^2) d theta. I find the determination of the limits of integration slightly ambiguous when I watch any tutorials or read up on Polar coordinates. I normally just use graph trace but I'd like to get an intuitive understanding
 
Browsing some of the links at the lower left might be instructive.
We did a cardioid here not so long ago (no full solution, just hints).
Point is: with a concrete example we can see where things go wrong for you.
As you can see in the link, I am an advocate of your approach:
CrazyNeutrino said:
normally just use graph trace
and from that, with experience, grows intuition. The latter two aren't sold by weight (in contrast with what some managers seem to think).

I don't think I can provide much guidance based on e.g.
CrazyNeutrino said:
I find the determination of the limits of integration slightly ambiguous
All I can say is usually ##\theta## runs from 0 to ##2\pi## or from ##-\pi## to ##+\pi##. But I doubt if that is helpful for you.
 
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