Linear Algebra 2 - Representing Matrix

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The discussion revolves around understanding the representation of a linear operator L in the context of polynomial functions and their transformations. The subject area is linear algebra, specifically focusing on matrix representation and polynomial functions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the meaning of specific notations related to the operator L and its representation in a given basis. Questions arise about the calculations involved in applying L to various polynomial functions and how to derive the corresponding matrix representation.

Discussion Status

There is an active exploration of the operator's action on polynomials, with some participants providing clarifications and corrections regarding the calculations. Multiple interpretations of the operator's effect are being discussed, and guidance has been offered on how to approach the matrix representation.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating through potential misunderstandings of polynomial functions and their transformations under the operator L. There is a focus on ensuring clarity around the definitions and actions of the operator, as well as the implications for the choice of basis in the matrix representation.

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Sry, this will be the last question^^

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Its a similar to the problem i ve postet before. Maybe if i can solve the first problem i can solve this to. But what i don't understand is that notation. I ve circled it with a red line.
Does anyone know what this means?

Thx
Mumba
 
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It means the representation of L in the basis B = {1, x, x²}. They're just calling that matrix AB
 
So this A is the representing matrix?
But what does then Ap=q mean? Or how can i calculate L for 1, x and x^2?
 
Ap = p(x+1) defines the action of L.

So for p = 1, you get L(1) = x + 1 and so on.
 
Actually, it looks like q(x+1) is not intended as multiplication of q with (x+1). The action of L on the function p(x) is given by p(x+1).

So, if p = 1 + x, then L(p) = 1 + (x + 1) = 2 + x.
 
But so i get for
L(x) = x^2 + x,
L(x^2)=x^3 + x^2

So should i choose a new basis, for example {1+x,x^2,x^3} to get the repr matrix?
 
See my post above.

L(x) will be x + 1 instead of x² + x.
 
L(p)=q(p)=p(x+1)?

wie kommst du da auf L(x)=1+x?
Was hast du denn dann für L(1)?
 
Treat a polynomial as the function p(x). The action of L is to take that function and return the function q(x) = p(x+1)

So, if p(x) = 1 + x, then q(x) = p(x + 1) = 1 + x + 1 = x + 2 (i.e. L[1 + x] = 2 + x)

If p(x) = 1, then q(x) = p(x + 1) = 1. (i.e L[1] = 1 )
 
  • #10
So i get then
L(1) = 1
L(x) = x+1
L(x^2)=x^2+1

?
 
  • #11
L[x²] = (x+1)² = x² + 2x + 1
 
  • #12
and then for
L(1) --> 1 0 0
L(x) --> 1 1 0
L(x^2) --> 1 0 1

So my matrix would be
1 1 1
0 1 0
0 0 1

??
 
  • #13
ahh ok so if u change this fpr L(x^2) --> 1 2 1
matrix:
1 1 1
0 1 2
0 0 1

correct? ^^
 
  • #14
Yes, that's correct.
 
  • #15
:D:D
cool thanks alooooot
 
  • #16
dx said:
Treat a polynomial as the function p(x). The action of L is to take that function and return the function q(x) = p(x+1)

So, if p(x) = 1 + x, then q(x) = p(x + 1) = 1 + x + 1 = x + 2 (i.e. L[1 + x] = 2 + x)

If p(x) = 1, then q(x) = p(x + 1) = 1. (i.e L[1] = 1 )

Should it be like that:

If p(x) =1 then, q(x) = p(x+1) = p(x)+p(1) = 1 + 1 = 2, so L[1]= 2!?
 
  • #17
No, p(x) is a constant function, i.e. it has the same value for any x. So p(x + 1) would still be 1.
 
  • #18
hmm, ok
but why ist L(x) = x+1?

--> p(x) = x
if its a constant function and p(x)=x, shouldn't be P(x+1)=x too?
 
  • #19
p(x) = 1 is a constant function, p(x) = x is not!

For a given polynomial p, we get the L[p] by replacing every x with x + 1.

So if p = 1, we do nothing since there is no x, and L[1] = 1

If p = x, we replace x by x + 1, and we get L[x] = x + 1

If p = x2, we replace x by x + 1 to get (x + 1)2, i.e. L[x2] = (x + 1)2 = 1 + 2x + x2
 
  • #20
oh man
yes sure thanks again ^^
 

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