Linear Algebra for Engineers: Is It Necessary?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the necessity of learning linear algebra for engineering students, particularly electrical engineers (EEs). Participants explore the relevance of abstract concepts such as vector spaces and linear transformations in engineering applications and education.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the relevance of abstract concepts like vector spaces for engineers, seeking clarification on their necessity.
  • Others argue that understanding fundamental concepts is crucial for advancing in engineering and that these concepts will become clearer through coursework.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of vector spaces and Hilbert spaces, suggesting that they are particularly relevant when studying Fourier transforms.
  • Another participant notes that while some concepts may not be directly applicable in EE designs, the broader understanding gained from linear algebra is valuable.
  • Concerns are raised about the difference in focus between linear algebra and calculus classes, with some suggesting that calculus is more problem-solving oriented.
  • Participants mention the application of linear algebra in fields such as Communication Theory and state space approaches to linear systems.
  • One participant shares a personal anecdote about an engineering professor who valued understanding abstract concepts from linear algebra, indicating a broader perspective on engineering education.
  • There is a discussion about the vocabulary differences between math and engineering disciplines, which may hinder students' understanding of how linear algebra applies to engineering problems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the necessity of linear algebra for engineers, with no clear consensus reached. Some see it as essential, while others remain skeptical about its immediate applicability.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the abstract nature of linear algebra may differ from the more practical focus of other math courses, leading to potential misunderstandings about its relevance in engineering contexts.

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I am currently taking linear algebra. I am currious as to why we are learning such abstract concepts as vector spaces. Most the people that take the class are engineers. Is there any reason for EE's to know this stuff?
 
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Without understanding fundamental concepts, which have to be apstract, you can't move on.
 
Could you please explain why I need to know abstract concepts such as vector spaces?
 
I think the explanation will arise form itself, after completing the course.
 
yes. It is (IMHO) crucial that even(perhaps, especially!) as an engineer you learn about vector spaces and such. I would go so far as to say that it's important for EE's to understand such abstract concepts as the hilbert spaces (generalization of vector space not limited to finite dimensions) and so on.

Once you hit Fourier transforms it might make a LOT more sense.
 
I am want to take Complex Variables, and if I do it counts as an elective. Plus if I take it I will minor in math. Let me tell you the way my school describes the class, and let me know if the class consists of rather abstract concepts like in my L.A. class, or if it is more like formulas, and solving problems, like the calculus sequence (1,2, and 3) is.
 
Here is the description of Linear Algebra:
Algebra and geometry of finite dimensional linear spaces, linear transformations, algebra of matrices, eigenvalues and eigenvectors.

Complex Variables:
Analytic functions, power series, resisdues and poles, conformal mapping, and applications.
 
And I know calculus is conceptual, and abstract too, but you have to admit that at least those freshman level calc classes focus much less of proofs and focus more on solving problems.
 
Vector spaces are used a lot in Communication Theory.
 
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What about linear transformations, where will I use this concept?
 
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Even if you won't ever use some of the concepts from linear algebra in EE designs, Linear algebra will expand your mind.

Besides boolean algebra is loosly based of linear algebra, which is the cornerstone of digital electronics.

I remember, when i was taking engineering mechanics class, our prof who was an engineer for 20 years, always brought a book to class. Guess what it was? Intro to linear algerba. He said, he's been trying to understand some of the abstract concepts, just for the hell of it. He was old so it was kind of hard for him to grasp it.

So, there is more to engineering then just blue prints. I wish topology was a requirement for engineering, lol.
 
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The state space approach to linear systems uses all of the concepts you will learn in your linear algebra course.
Complex variables are used in the frequency approach to linear systems (Laplace and Fourier Transforms).
 
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Linear algebra equips the engineer with mathematical tools that allow one to deal with sets of equations simulatenously. Surely after completing (you did complete it right) your first homework on KCL and KVL you can see why this is useful.

The problem is the math teacher uses a slightly different vocabulary than what the typical engineer is used to so often beginning engineers often don't make the connection between what they are learning in math class vs engineering class. However, each engineering discipline has its own buzzwords to describe concepts (such as phasor) so what is a math teacher to do?

I really liked math in college so I made a big effort to learn things like LA. I can tell you it paid off big time in first and second year classes. When other students were plugging and chugging using Gauss' method I was on to the next problem. I was as if I got 20% extra time to do the test.
 

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