Linear Algebra Help, Area of a Parallelogram using vectors

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The discussion revolves around finding the area of a parallelogram defined by two vectors in a four-dimensional space. The original poster presents a formula involving the dot product and sine of the angle between the vectors, while others explore the implications of using the cross product in higher dimensions.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the validity of using the cross product for vectors outside of R^3 and question the original poster's approach to calculating the area. There is also mention of alternative formulas and methods found online.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing different perspectives on the problem. Some have suggested alternative methods, while others have pointed out potential errors in the original approach. The original poster has indicated a resolution but has not detailed the steps taken.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the dimensionality of the vectors involved, as well as the appropriateness of certain mathematical operations in higher dimensions. The original poster has updated their post with new information but has not clarified their final approach.

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Homework Statement


Find the area of the parallelogram defined by the vectors

v = {1 1 3 1}
w = {-2 -1 2 2}

Homework Equations


Area = v dot w * sin(theta)
theta = cos^-1(v dot w / |v|*|w|)

The Attempt at a Solution


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General Solution:

Area of a parallelogram for non-R^3 vectors = v dot w * sin(cos^-1(v dot w / (|v|*|w|)))
 
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If v and w are two vectors representing two adjacent sides of the parallelogram, then the area is the magnitude of the cross product of those two vectors.
 
jegues said:
If v and w are two vectors representing two adjacent sides of the parallelogram, then the area is the magnitude of the cross product of those two vectors.

You can't perform cross product on vectors outside of R^3
 
Axoren said:
You can't perform cross product on vectors outside of R^3

Whoops! Sorry, I didn't notice they were 4 dimensional vectors.
 
I got it, some how. Updated original post.
 
Axoren said:
I got it, some how. Updated original post.

What do you mean you got it some how... What did you do? Alegbra mistake?
 
jegues said:
What do you mean you got it some how... What did you do? Alegbra mistake?

I didn't depend on the cross product and started using other equations around the internet.

I provided them in the original post.
 
I don't think that's right. You can let

A=\begin{bmatrix} 1 & -2 \\ 1 & -1 \\ 3 & 2 \\ 1 & 2 \end{bmatrix}

and then the volume is:

V = \sqrt{det \left(A^TA \right)}

which isn't 5.

EDIT: Oh, I see you got it with some other formula. Was the answer \sqrt{131} ?
 

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