Linear Algebra: Kernel and Image question

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around proving the equivalence of three statements related to a linear transformation T: R³ -> R³, specifically concerning the kernel and image of T and T². The statements involve the direct sum of the kernel and image, as well as their relationships when applying the transformation twice.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants express uncertainty about how to demonstrate the equivalence of the statements and seek clarification on the implications of the linear mapping T².
  • Some participants discuss the rank-nullity theorem as a potential tool for proving relationships between the kernel and image.
  • Questions arise regarding the definitions and properties of the kernel and image, particularly in relation to T².
  • There are attempts to explore specific cases and counterexamples to understand the validity of the statements.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various participants contributing different perspectives and approaches. Some have made progress in proving certain implications, while others are still seeking clarification on specific points. There is a mix of agreement and differing views on the validity of the statements, particularly regarding the equivalence of the kernel and image under the transformations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the definitions of kernel and image are crucial to the discussion, and there is a recognition that assumptions about the linear transformation may affect the validity of the statements. Counterexamples have been proposed to challenge the equivalence of the kernel and image relationships.

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Homework Statement



T : R^{3} -> R^{3} is a linear transformation. We need to prove the equivalence of the three below statements.

i) R^{3} = ker(T) \oplus im(T);
ii) ker(T) = ker(T^{2});
iii) im(T) = im(T^{2}).

Homework Equations



R^{3} = ker(T) \oplus im(T), if for all v \in R^{3} there exists x \in ker(T) and y \in im(T) such that v = x + y, and ker(T) \bigcap im(T) = {0}

ker(T) = {x\inR^{3} : T(x)=0}

im(T) = { w\inR^{3} : w=f(x), x\inR^{3}}

The Attempt at a Solution



I really have no idea how to show these statements are equivalent. Can someone also clarify the linear mapping T^{2}?

Thanks.
 
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Tazz01 said:

Homework Statement



T : R^{3} -> R^{3} is a linear transformation. We need to prove the equivalence of the three below statements.

i) R^{3} = ker(T) \oplus im(T);
ii) ker(T) = ker(T^{2});
iii) im(T) = im(T^{2}).

Homework Equations



R^{3} = ker(T) \oplus im(T), if for all v \in R^{3} there exists x \in ker(T) and y \in im(T) such that v = x + y, and ker(T) \bigcap im(T) = {0}

ker(T) = {x\inR^{3} : T(x)=0}

im(T) = { w\inR^{3} : w=f(x), x\inR^{3}}

The Attempt at a Solution



I really have no idea how to show these statements are equivalent. Can someone also clarify the linear mapping T^{2}?

Thanks.

For starters, T(T(x)) = T2(x).
 
Are the domain and the codomain for T^{2} the same as they were for T?

e.g. T^{2}:R^{3}->R^{3}

This would mean that:

ker(T^{2})={x\inR^{3} : T^{2}(x)=0}

Similarly for the image. It seems that to prove (ii) and (iii) are the same, we can use the rank-nullity theorem, but no idea for i-ii and i-iii. Any more ideas?
 
Tazz01 said:
Are the domain and the codomain for T^{2} the same as they were for T?

e.g. T^{2}:R^{3}->R^{3}
Yes. Also, if x is in ker(T), then T(x) = 0. It's pretty easy to show that T(T(x)) = 0 as well, which says that if x is in ker(T), then x is in ker(T2).
Tazz01 said:
This would mean that:

ker(T^{2})={x\inR^{3} : T^{2}(x)=0}

Similarly for the image. It seems that to prove (ii) and (iii) are the same, we can use the rank-nullity theorem, but no idea for i-ii and i-iii. Any more ideas?

Show that i ==> ii, then that ii ==> iii, and then finally, that iii ==> i. That's all you need to do to show that the three statements are equivalent.
 
If x is in ker(T), this means that T(x)=0.

If we put this same x into T(T(x)), we get T(0) - but we don't know what T(0) equals...

I'm still lost on this, how can we approach the first part, showing that i ==> ii?
 
If T is a linear transformation, T(a+b)=T(a)+T(b), and 0=0+0...

Still, unless I am missing something in your notation or otherwise, I think there are counterexamples:

For any T:R3→ R3, we have the decomposition in i) by,

say, choosing a basis for R3, and representing T using a matrix,

so that R3 is the direct sum of subspaces of complementary ( to 3)

dimension , by, as you said, rank nullity. Since rank, nullity intersect only in {0},

the two are subspaces of complementary dimension , so they vector-add to 3.

But this decomposition is true for _any_ linear map from R3 to

R3, but it is not always true that kerT2=kerT, nor that

ImT2=ImT (altho these last two are equivalent to each other for any

map T, by rank-nullity.). Am I missing something here?
 
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I think I figured out how to show ker(T)=ker(T^{2}). Say for x \in ker(T), then we have for T(T(x)):

T(T(x)) = T(0) <--- Now this is the zero vector inside the brackets

Can we pull this out as a contant, and use any vector v \in R^{3}:

T(0) = T(0v) = 0T(v) = 0

Therefore, we have shown that if x is in ker(T), it is also in ker(T^{2}). Can someone confirm this?

Also, from the question, it would seem that ker(T) always equals ker(T^{2}).

Bacle, what do you mean by counterexamples? I'm a little confused as to what you've said, are you able to clarify?
 
Tazz01:

I may be missing something, maybe even something obvious, but I think that given _any_ linear transformation L from R3 to R3, we can find a decomposition as in i), but it is not true for _every map_ L as above that kerL=KerL2. As example, take a linear map L , whose matrix representation M:=(mi,j) has
all 0's, except for m1,3=m2,2=1. Then M2 is all 0's except for m2,2=1, and it is not true then that kerL=kerL2.

Hope someone else can double-check.
 
Tazz01 said:
I think I figured out how to show ker(T)=ker(T^{2}). Say for x \in ker(T), then we have for T(T(x)):

T(T(x)) = T(0) <--- Now this is the zero vector inside the brackets

Can we pull this out as a contant, and use any vector v \in R^{3}:

T(0) = T(0v) = 0T(v) = 0
Yes, part of the definition of "linear transformation" is that T(av)= aT(v) for a any scalar so T(0)= T(0v)= 0T(v)= 0. Another part of the definition is that T(u+ v)= T(u)+ T(v) for any two vectors u and v. Here, T(u)= T(u+ 0)= T(u)+ T(0) so that T(0)= 0 from that.
You should, at least in your mind, distinguish between the 0 vector and the number 0 but it is always true that 0\vec{v}= \vec{0}.

Therefore, we have shown that if x is in ker(T), it is also in ker(T^{2}). Can someone confirm this?

Also, from the question, it would seem that ker(T) always equals ker(T^{2}).

Bacle, what do you mean by counterexamples? I'm a little confused as to what you've said, are you able to clarify?
 
  • #10
So, to be more specific: Let L be the linear map L:R3→R3represented by M, with :

M=[ 0 1 0]
[ 0 0 1]
[ 0 0 0]

Then the kernel of M is the subspace spanned by {(x,0,0)}, i.e., if we have the standard xyz-axes, then the entire line is crushed to 0.

Now, M2=

[ 0 0 1]
[ 0 0 0]
[ 0 0 0]

Has as kernel the subspace {(0,x,y)} , so that kerM2± KerM
 
  • #11
I'm not sure about that Bacle, I will assume that the question has a solution and that ker(T) does equal ker(T^2).

Would anyone be able to advise how I could go about implying (ii) from (i)? Do I have to show that (i) holds for ker(T^2)? And then use rank-nullity from ii - iii?
 
  • #12
For this problem, given that R3 = ker(T) \oplus im(T), apparently ker(T) = ker(T2). As I said in post #4, if x \in ker(T), then x \in ker(T2), but the converse is not necessarily true, as Bacle's counterexample shows.

From i) you know that dim(ker(T)) can be one of only four values: 0, 1, 2, or 3. So if dim(ker(T)) = n, then dim(Im(T)) = 3 - n. I suspect that you need to use this fact.
 
  • #13
I believe you can use the fact that Ker(T)\cap Im(T)=\left\{0\right\} by the definition of

R^3=Im(T)\oplus Ker(T)​

to easily prove that Ker(T)=Ker(T^2).
 
  • #14
I've proved i-ii and ii-iii but not yet iii-i. This is something I'm stuck on, can someone advise?
 
  • #15
Try analyzing x-T(x) and use the fact that im(T)\subseteq im(T^2)
 
  • #16
Edit, I've now completed this question, thanks for your help guys.
 
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  • #17
it looks false to me. i.e. i) looks always true but not either ii) or iii). maybe i) was stated wrong and should have said ker(T) (+) im(T^2)?

(always assuming "=" means "isomorphic".)

To construct counterexamples use the shift operator T taking (x,y,z) to (0,x,y). notice kerT^2 is larger than kerT. and hence image T^2 is smaller than image T.
 
  • #18
But then, T will violate all three conditions.

Notice that

im(T)={(0,y,z)}; im(T^2)={(0,0,z)}

ker(T)={(0,0,z)}; ker(T^2)={(0,y,z)}

Then,

i) im(T) (+) ker(T)={(0,y,z)} is pure subset of R^3
ii) im(T^2) is pure subset of im(T)
iii) ker(T) is pure subset of ker(T^2)
 
  • #19
Bacle said:
So, to be more specific: Let L be the linear map L:R3→R3represented by M, with :

M=

[ 0 1 0]
[ 0 0 1]
[ 0 0 0]

Then the kernel of M is the subspace spanned by {(x,0,0)}, i.e., if we have the standard xyz-axes, then the entire line is crushed to 0.

Now, M2=

[ 0 0 1]
[ 0 0 0]
[ 0 0 0]

Has as kernel the subspace {(0,x,y)} , so that kerM2± KerM

i'd like to point out that this is also not a counter-example:

im(M) = {(y,z,0) : y,z in R}

whereas ker(M) = {(x,0,0) : x in R},

so R3 ≠ ker(M)⊕im(M).

so the conditions don't hold for "any" linear transformations on R3, just certain ones.
 
  • #20
How to prove im(T)⊆im(T 2 )?
 

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