Linear Algebra - Linear Independence/Dependence

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The discussion revolves around determining the linear independence or dependence of a set of vectors represented in matrix form. Participants are exploring the implications of reduced row echelon form (rref) and the definitions related to linear combinations.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand the linear independence of a matrix derived from two vectors and questions their interpretation of the rref results.
  • Some participants provide insights into the definitions of linear dependence and independence, discussing the conditions under which vectors can be expressed as linear combinations of one another.
  • There is a request for clarification regarding the implications of the coefficients in the equations derived from the matrix reduction.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering different perspectives on the definitions and implications of linear independence. Some guidance has been provided regarding the interpretation of the rref and the conditions for linear dependence, but confusion remains about specific cases and definitions.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the definitions and implications of linear independence and dependence, with some uncertainty about the application of these concepts to the specific vectors in question. There is mention of the complexity that arises with multiple vectors and the conditions for expressing one vector as a combination of others.

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Homework Statement


I want to know if the matrix (1, 1)
(1, 3)
(-3,4)
(1, 2)
is linearly independent or dependent.


Homework Equations


I reduced it down in rref to (1 0; 0 1; 0 0; 0 0) and I'm guessing it's linearly independent because there is only 1 term per line when it's set to 0? Is this correct?


The Attempt at a Solution


in part 2
 
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I assume you mean are the 2 vectors you used to construct that matrix linearly independent?

They are linearly dependent. When you reduce your matrix, you are left with a series of equations. The first and second line tell you that, given the coefficients as (a,b,c,d), that 1a = 0 and 1b = 0. In other words, a = b = 0. Now, by definition if the coefficients in the formula [tex]a\mathord{\buildrel{\lower3pt\hbox{$\scriptscriptstyle\rightharpoonup$}} <br /> \over v} _1 + b\mathord{\buildrel{\lower3pt\hbox{$\scriptscriptstyle\rightharpoonup$}} <br /> \over v} _2 = 0[/tex] are only capable of being 0, then your two vectors are linearly independent.
 
Yes there was two vectors used: (1 1 -3 1) and (1 3 4 2), so they would be linearly independent then correct? Because of the formula av1 + bv2 =0 right? Sorry, I'm still a bit confused.
 
Yes, you got it. What you're basically looking for in linear dependence problems is if any vector can be written in terms of the other two vectors. So say you want to see if V1 can be written as a linear combination of V2. Well what you're looking for is whether or not V1 = a V2 where a is some number other than 0.

Now if you have something more complex like 4 vectors and you want to know if V1 can be constructed as a linear combination of V2, V3, and V4, what you get it is V1 = a V2 + b V3 + c V4. If you subtract V1 , you get 0 = -V1 + a V2 + b V3 + c V4. Since you have 0 on the left hand side, you can arbitrarily multiply the entire equation by whatever number you wish so in the end, without loss of generality, can say that 0 = a' V1 + b' V2 + c' V3 + d' V4 and since the coefficients' label is arbitrary, you get what you see in general: 0 = a V1 + b V2 + c V3 + d V4.

Now you can use the power of linear algebra and say the coefficient matrix, we'll call X = (a,b,c,d), is a solution to that equation because you can form your vectors into that matrix and say Ax = 0 and look for solutions of x.
 

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