Linear Algebra: Orthonormal Basis

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The problem involves finding an orthonormal basis for a subspace of R^4 spanned by four given vectors. The original poster attempts to apply the Gram-Schmidt process but encounters an issue, leading to a zero vector in their result.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of obtaining a zero vector during the Gram-Schmidt process and question the dimensionality of the subspace spanned by the given vectors. There is a focus on understanding the nature of the basis and the role of the zero vector.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the implications of the zero vector and clarifying the concept of spanning a subspace versus R^4. Some guidance has been offered regarding the inclusion of the zero vector in a basis.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the dimensionality of the subspace being less than 4, which is a key constraint in the problem. Participants are also reflecting on the definitions and properties of bases in linear algebra.

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Homework Statement



Find an orthonormal basis for the subspace of R^4 that is spanned by the vectors: (1,0,1,0), (1,1,1,0), (1,-1,0,1), (3,4,4,-1)

The Attempt at a Solution



When I try to use the Gram-Schmidt process, I am getting (before normalization): (1,0,1,0), (0,1,0,0), (1,0,-1,2), (0,0,0,0). So obviously there is some mistake that I am making but I have checked this at least 3 times. Can someone help me and let me know if it is something on my end or the problem. Thank you.
 
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Without have actually worked it out fully, why do you think you made a mistake? The dimension of the subspace is less than 4. You are only going to get a number of orthonormal vectors equal to the dimension of the subspace.
 
Dick said:
Without have actually worked it out fully, why do you think you made a mistake? The dimension of the subspace is less than 4. You are only going to get a number of orthonormal vectors equal to the dimension of the subspace.

I thought that the basis had to span R^4? And since of of the elements was (0,0,0,0) the basis can't span R^4.
 
tylerc1991 said:
I thought that the basis had to span R^4? And since of of the elements was (0,0,0,0) the basis can't span R^4.

It doesn't span R^4. It spans the subspace of R^4 spanned by the given vectors.
 
Dick said:
It doesn't span R^4. It spans the subspace of R^4 spanned by the given vectors.

I see. So will (0,0,0,0) be included in the orthonormal basis?
 
tylerc1991 said:
I see. So will (0,0,0,0) be included in the orthonormal basis?

(0,0,0,0) is in EVERY subspace. You throw that away. It's never part of a basis. A basis is a set of linearly independent vectors. And it certainly isn't normal.
 

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