Linear Algebra Question: Determinant

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The discussion revolves around a linear algebra problem involving the determinant of a 3x3 matrix and its implications for the graph of an equation derived from that determinant. Participants are examining the relationship between the matrix representation and the resulting graphical interpretation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the nature of the graph represented by the determinant, questioning whether it describes a line through the origin or a line with a y-intercept. There are attempts to clarify the determinant's calculation and its implications for the graph.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with some participants providing calculations and insights into the determinant's form. There is a recognition that the equation represents a line, but uncertainty remains regarding the specifics of its characteristics, such as the intercept and gradient.

Contextual Notes

Participants note confusion regarding the interpretation of the question, specifically whether it pertains to the graph of the determinant or the matrix itself. There is also mention of subscripts in the matrix elements that may affect clarity.

FrogginTeach
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The question on my homework says:

What can you say about the graph of the equation

The following is in matrix form with determinant symbols around the matrix
x y 1
a[tex]_{1}[/tex] b[tex]_{1}[/tex] 1 = 0
a[tex]_{2}[/tex] b[tex]_{2}[/tex] 1

All a's and b's are constants.

My answer was that the graph would be a line going through the origin. Like y=2x or y=3x

Am I way off track?


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Those 1's and 2's are supposed to be subscripts.
 
No, that is not, in general, a line through the origin. What is that determinant? It not difficult to calculate.
 
The determinant is b1x - a2b1

a2b1 is a constant. So wait, I had that wrong. it is a straight line with a y-intercept which is some constant.

How do you say that though?
 
The determinant is not that. But I don't know what this question is asking for. What can you tell from the equation of a plane/line?
 
Sorry, I forgot about it being a 3x3 matrix.
 
I'm not sure if the question is asking what the graph of the determinant would look like or the matrix?
 
If you expand the determinant you get an expression like f(x,y)=0. The question is what's the graph of that equation? Determinants and matrices don't have graphs. Equations have graphs.
 
FrogginTeach said:
I'm not sure if the question is asking what the graph of the determinant would look like or the matrix?

Just find the determinant of the 3x3 matrix and you'll see what it describes. You have an idea of what it describes though.
 
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Okay. I found the determinant of this 3x3 matrix:

It is b1x + a2y + a1b1 - a2b1 - b2x - a1y

I simplified it: b1x - b2x + a2y - a1y - a1b1 - a2b1 = 0

I'm not sure if this will help, but I did this next.

b1x - b2x + a2y - a1y + C ; c = constant

a2y-a1y = C - b1x + b2x

y(a2 - a1) = C - x(b1 - b2)

y = (C - x(b1 - B2)) / (a2 - a1)

I know this is the equation of a line, but what more do I need to say?
 
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Yes, it's a line. I think we are just waiting for you to retract the 'through the origin' part.
 
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FrogginTeach said:
I know this is the equation of a line, but what more do I need to say?

Could say what the gradient is and where it cuts the axes, but I think saying that it is a straight line should be sufficient.
 

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