Linear algebra question (span?)

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The discussion revolves around determining if a vector b is in the span of the columns of a matrix A, specifically in the context of a linear algebra problem involving a 4x5 matrix and a 4x1 vector.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the meaning of span and its relation to the system of equations Ax=b. Questions arise about the implications of having more unknowns than equations and how to justify the existence of solutions in terms of span.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the conditions under which the system is consistent and how to interpret the results in relation to the span of the matrix columns. Some guidance is provided regarding forming the augmented matrix and row reduction, but no consensus on the solution has been reached.

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There is uncertainty regarding the specific entries of matrix A and vector b, which may affect the discussion on consistency and span. The participants are also considering the implications of the dimensions of A and b on the existence of solutions.

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How would i go about telling if vector b (4 row, 1 column) is in the span of the columns of matrix A(4 row, 5 column)?

im just not sure what is asking, i know it would be an easy question if i knew what they meant by this.
 
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Same question reformulated: does the system Ax=b have a solution.
 
so would it not have a solution because there are 4 eq and 5 unknowns? also how would i justify in terms of span that there is no solution? (as opposed to just saying because there are 4 eq and 5 unknowns)
 
Do you know the actual matrix A and the vector b? Form the augmented matrix [A|b] and row reduce to see if the system is consistent or not.
 
Is this possible with A being 4rows x 5 columns and b 4 rows 1 column?
 
Maybe yes:

1 0 0 0 0 | 1
0 1 2 0 0 | 1
0 0 0 1 0 | 1
0 0 0 0 1 | 1

Maybe not:

1 0 0 0 0 | 1
0 1 2 0 0 | 1
0 0 0 1 0 | 1
0 0 0 0 0 | 1

Depends on A and b
 
So, say it is consistent. Then what do I do? (rr took a long time and numbers are rather large)
 
If the system Ax=b is consistent, then the answer is "yes, b is in the span of the columns of A."
 
now, what if it is asked if a sub n is in the span of A (A consists of {a sub 1,...,a sub n})
 
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ckp said:
now, what if it is asked if a sub n is in the span of A (A consists of {a sub 1,...,a sub n})

Are you asking this: "is the rightmost column of A in the span of the columns of A?"

??
 

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