LINEAR ALGEBRA: Show that |a x| = |a| |x| for all real numbers a

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The discussion revolves around proving the equality |a x| = |a| |x| for all real numbers a, within the context of linear algebra and vector norms.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore various methods to prove the statement, including the use of bilinearity of dot product spaces and the definition of absolute values. Some suggest treating different cases based on the sign of a and x.

Discussion Status

There is a mix of attempts to clarify the proof process, with some participants questioning the relevance of certain approaches. Guidance has been offered regarding the definition of norms and the treatment of cases based on the signs of a and x, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion regarding the nature of the problem, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the context as it relates to real numbers versus vector spaces.

VinnyCee
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How does one prove this statement?

I have no idea how to start. Can someone help?

Maybe it has something to do with that Cauchy-Schwartz inequality?
 
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I guess using bilinearity of dot product spaces will work, right?

Since (a x) * y = a (x * y) = x * (ay)
 
I don't think bilinearity of dot product space is something someone struggling to prove |a x| = |a| |x| knows about! :bugeye:

You could use the definition of |.|, namely that

[tex]|ax|=\left\{ \begin{array} {c} -ax \ \ \mbox{for} \ \ ax<0 & +ax \ \ \mbox{for} \ \ ax\geq 0 \end{array}[/tex]

and treat the three cases a<0, a>0, a=0 separetely.
 
[tex]|a|=\left\{ \begin{array} {c} -a \ \ \mbox{for} \ \ a<0 & +a \ \ \mbox{for} \ \ a\geq 0 \end{array}[/tex]

[tex]|x|=\left\{ \begin{array} {c} -x \ \ \mbox{for} \ \ x<0 & +x \ \ \mbox{for} \ \ x\geq 0 \end{array}[/tex]

Does this somehow "prove" that |a x| = |a| |x| [itex]\in[/itex] R?

If not, what would count as "proof"?
 
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I don't understand your question. My post was meant as a hint to the OP.
 
quasar987 said:
I don't understand your question. My post was meant as a hint to the OP.
I think he means, is what you posted sufficient to constitute a proof?
 
EDIT: Wrong absolute value. I should read the thread
 
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quasar987 said:
I don't think bilinearity of dot product space is something someone struggling to prove |a x| = |a| |x| knows about! :bugeye:

You could use the definition of |.|, namely that

[tex]|ax|=\left\{ \begin{array} {c} -ax \ \ \mbox{for} \ \ ax<0 & +ax \ \ \mbox{for} \ \ ax\geq 0 \end{array}[/tex]

and treat the three cases a<0, a>0, a=0 separetely.
If you know about "bilinearity of dot product" then surely you understood that the question was about the lengths of vectors, not about absolute value? "|ax|= -ax for ax< 0" makes no sense because the left side of the equation is a number and the right side is a vector. Also, there is no order defined on a vector space.
 
Isn't |ax|=|a||x| by definition of a norm on a vector space?
 
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Let a be a real number, and [tex]\vec{v} \in V^2(O)[/tex], for simplicity.

[tex]\left|a\right|\cdot\left|\vec{v}\right|=\left|a\right|\sqrt{v_{x}^2+v_{y}^2}=\sqrt{\left|a\right|^2(v_{x}^2+v_{y}^2)}=\sqrt{a^2(v_{x}^2+v_{y}^2)}=\sqrt{(av_{x})^2+(av_{y})^2}=\left|a \cdot \vec{v}\right|[/tex]. Could this be considered as a proof?
 
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I didn't realize that post #2 was by the OP himself, lol. And for some reason I was certain this thread was about real numbers, despite its name LINEAR ALGEBRA. Sorry for all the confusion VinnyCee!
 
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Galileo said:
Isn't |ax|=|a||x| by definition of a norm on a vector space?
That is part of the general definition. I suspect that this problem is based on
[tex]|ai+ bj+ ck|= \sqrt{a^2+ b^2+ c^2}[/tex]
for R3 or
[tex]|ai+ bj|= \sqrt{a^2+ b^2}[/tex]
for R2. In that case radou's post is exactly what he needs.
 

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