Linear Algebra Vector Spanning Question

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The discussion revolves around a linear algebra problem concerning the span of vectors in four dimensions and how to create a span that corresponds to a plane through the origin. Participants explore the concept of linear combinations and the dimensionality of spans.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss starting points for defining the span of vectors, including the implications of choosing specific vectors in four dimensions. There are questions about how many vectors are needed to span a plane and the relationship between the vectors chosen.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes attempts to clarify the concept of spans and dimensionality. Some participants suggest specific vectors and explore their spans, while others question how to ensure the third vector lies within the desired plane. Guidance is provided on the necessity of linear combinations for the third vector.

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There is an underlying assumption that the participants are familiar with the definitions of spans and linear combinations, but some express uncertainty about applying these concepts in higher dimensions. The discussion reflects a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the dimensionality of spans in linear algebra.

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I honestly don't even know where to start with this question. The question is:

Give an example of a span of three vectors u, v, w in four dimensions that corresponds to a plane thru the origin?

I know that the span of the vectors is the set of linear combinations of the vectors. I don't understand how to write a span of some vectors that happen to span four dimensions. I looked through all my notes and my linear algebra book and I can't seem to figure it out, so I don't have any work to sure because I can't figure out where to start. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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How about if you start by choosing a single vector in four dimensions, for example [1 0 0 0]. What is the span of this vector?
 
Well, it goes through a plane right? That means, even though they're four dimensional, they in effect only cover three dimensions. which is why a set of three can span this subspace. (I think, it's been awhile since I've done linear).
 
jbunniii said:
How about if you start by choosing a single vector in four dimensions, for example [1 0 0 0]. What is the span of this vector?

Well, that's just a line - but I don't see how that helps me ?
 
caels said:
Well, that's just a line - but I don't see how that helps me ?

That was just to get you started. Now let's add a second vector: what is the span of these two vectors? {[1 0 0 0], [0 1 0 0]}
 
jbunniii said:
That was just to get you started. Now let's add a second vector: what is the span of these two vectors? {[1 0 0 0], [0 1 0 0]}

They aren't multiplies of each other, so they must be a plane. To find the final vector could I simply say

a [1 0 0 0] + b [0 1 0 0] = x

Pick arbitrary scalars for a and b, since, by definition, x would have to be in the plane formed by a and b?
 
caels said:
They aren't multiplies of each other, so they must be a plane. To find the final vector could I simply say

a [1 0 0 0] + b [0 1 0 0] = x

Pick arbitrary scalars for a and b, since, by definition, x would have to be in the plane formed by a and b?

Yes, that's exactly what you would do. The key is that the third vector must also lie in the plane, which means it must be a linear combination of the first two vectors.

If instead you had picked something like x = [0 0 1 0], then the span of the three vectors would be too large: a 3-dimensional space instead of a plane.
 
jbunniii said:
Yes, that's exactly what you would do. The key is that the third vector must also lie in the plane, which means it must be a linear combination of the first two vectors.

If instead you had picked something like x = [0 0 1 0], then the span of the three vectors would be too large: a 3-dimensional space instead of a plane.

Thanks for the help. I get it now.
 

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