Linear Combinations of Trig Functions - Finding Roots

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around finding the roots of a complex equation involving trigonometric functions, specifically the equation 0 = sin(8x-arctan(4/3)) + 3.2sin(16x+pi/2). Participants explore various methods for solving this equation analytically, considering the challenges posed by differing amplitudes, phases, and frequencies of the sine functions involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses the need for a simple method to solve the equation analytically, noting the complexity due to the differing frequencies of the sine functions.
  • Another participant suggests considering the identity sin(θ + π/2) = cos(θ) but acknowledges that the differing frequencies complicate the combination of terms.
  • A participant proposes that the solution must take the form of an oscillating amplitude function, such as Asin(Bx+C)sin(Dx+E, but is uncertain about how to determine the parameters.
  • There is a discussion about the potential use of double angle and angle addition formulas, with one participant confirming they have exhausted standard substitutions without success.
  • One participant suggests expanding the first term and substituting to form a polynomial in cos(8x), which could theoretically be solvable, but another participant doubts this approach due to the presence of non-integer cosine terms.
  • A participant reiterates the need for an analytical solution and questions the application of the problem, revealing it is part of an assignment but also expressing curiosity about generalized techniques for such problems.
  • Further attempts to manipulate the equation lead to expressions involving square roots and polynomials, but participants remain uncertain about the feasibility of these approaches.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a method for solving the equation. There are multiple competing views on the approaches to take, with uncertainty about the effectiveness of suggested techniques and the nature of the resulting equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their approaches, including the complexity introduced by non-integer terms and the oscillating nature of the amplitude, which complicates the search for a straightforward analytical solution.

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Hi there
I was wondering if there is a simple way to solve for the roots of a complicated summation of trig functions that can't be combined with any simple identities.
I have an equation of the form:

0 = sin(8x-arctan(4/3))+3.2sin(16x+pi/2)

where the two sines have different amplitudes, phases and a frequency that differs by a factor of 2. I would like to find the values of x on [0,pi/2] that satisfy this condition. I don't know very much about Fourier analysis but is there some method for solving this?
I need an analytical solution - not an approximation
 
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I don't think you need to go into anything complicated. What does [tex]Sin(\theta + \frac{\pi}{2})[/tex] equal?
 
Yes, it equals cosx but the frequency is still different so you can't easily combine the two terms. I don't think there is any way of combining the two terms into one simple function. The solution must have an amplitude that oscillates as a function of x; like a form:
Asin(Bx+C)sin(Dx+E)

Not sure how to solve for the parameters though
 
Oh right, I didn't see that, maybe this isn't as simple as it looks. I'm assuming you've exausted double angle and angle addition formulas?
 
Yes, I've tried almost every standard substitution. I don't think this will solve the problem since the amplitude varies with x. Plotting the function in maple reveals that it doesn't have the form of a simple cosine function
 
you could still use the cosx if you treat it as sin(16x+pi/2) = cos(16x) = cos(2*8x) = 2cos^2(8x)-1
whereas you could expand the first term sin(8x- ... getting it in terms of sin8x and cos8x, substituting sin8x=sqrt(1-cos^2(8x)) and squaring to eliminate the sqrt leaves you with a 4th degree polynomial of cos8x. which is technically solvable

if i thought it through enough, didn't try in written
 
No this won't work either, you will end up with a function that has non integer cos terms
Unless I misread what you were saying
 
david_p said:
I need an analytical solution - not an approximation
Why? What is your application?
 
Its an assignment question,
but I'm also curious if there is a generalized technique for approaching this type of problem
 
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david_p said:
No this won't work either, you will end up with a function that has non integer cos terms
Unless I misread what you were saying

you don't need integer terms to solve a 4th degree polynomial, though you can just multiply the eq with sth to make them integer

[tex] Sin(8x-arctan(4/3))+3.2Sin(16x+\pi/2)= \pm 0.6 \sqrt{1-Cos^2(8x)}-0.8Cos(8x)+6.4Cos^2(8x)-3.2 = 0 [/tex]

or
[tex]\pm 3 \sqrt{1-a^2}-4 a+32a^2-16=0[/tex]
where a=cos(8x)
 
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