Linear Differential Equation of Second Order

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a second-order linear differential equation of the form mx'' + cx' + kx = 0, with specific values for m, c, and k. The original poster attempts to derive the general solution and determine the constants based on initial conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster simplifies the differential equation and finds the characteristic equation, leading to complex roots. They express the general solution and attempt to find constants using initial conditions. Some participants suggest checking for equivalence between different forms of the solution.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the relationship between the derived solution and the form presented in the textbook. There is a recognition of the need to convert the solution into a specific format, and some guidance is offered on proving equivalence between trigonometric identities.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes that the problem set requires the solution to be expressed in a particular form, which adds a layer of complexity to their attempts. There is an acknowledgment of potential confusion regarding the representation of the solution.

SHISHKABOB
Messages
539
Reaction score
1

Homework Statement


I have the equation mx'' + cx' + kx = 0

where m = 2, c = 12, k = 50, x0 = 0, x'(0) = -8. x is a function of t, and primes denote derivatives w.r.t. t.


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



so the equation is 2x'' + 12x' + 50x = 0, which I simplify to x'' + 6x' + 25x = 0.

Characteristic equation is r2 + 6r + 25 = 0

using the quadratic formula, I find roots r = -3 ± 4i

therefore the general solution is x(t) = e-3t(c1cos(4t) + c2sin(4t))

I then solve for the unknown constants, c1 and c2:

x(0) = 0 = c1

so x(t) = e-3t(c2sin(4t))

x'(t) = -3e-3t(c2sin(4t) + e-3t(4c2cos(4t))

x'(0) = -8 = 4c2

so c2 = -2

∴ x(t) = e-3t(-2sin(4t))

but... the back of the book gives

x(t) = 2e-3tcos(4t - 3\pi/2)

as the answer...

so I must be doing something horribly wrong, but I have no idea what :confused:
 
Physics news on Phys.org
oh whoops, I just realized that, for the set of problems that I'm working on, it asks me to write the function in the form

C1e-ptcos(ω1t - \alpha1)

so I guess it's just a matter of converting it
 
SHISHKABOB said:
oh whoops, I just realized that, for the set of problems that I'm working on, it asks me to write the function in the form

C1e-ptcos(ω1t - \alpha1)

so I guess it's just a matter of converting it

You're correct. :smile:
 
x(t)=e^{-3t} (-2\sin 4t)=-2e^{-3t} (\sin 4t)
Now, you try to obtain the above from the given answer, to check for equivalence:
x(t)=2e^{-3t} (\cos (4t - \frac{3\pi}{2}))
Comparing the two answers above, what you need is to prove that:
\cos (4t - \frac{3\pi}{2})=-\sin 4t
Use the cosine subtraction formula:
\cos (4t - \frac{3\pi}{2})=(\cos 4t)(\cos \frac{3\pi}{2})+ (\sin 4t)(\sin \frac{3\pi}{2})=-\sin 4tProved!
 

Similar threads

Replies
2
Views
1K
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
Replies
10
Views
2K
Replies
9
Views
4K
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
Replies
12
Views
2K