Linear Expansion - Finding temperature

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to linear expansion, specifically finding the temperature change that equalizes the outer radius of one ring with the inner radius of another. Participants are exploring the relationships between lengths, temperature changes, and coefficients of linear expansion.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss equations related to linear expansion and express confusion over the number of unknowns involved. There is an attempt to derive a relationship between the changes in lengths and temperature, but some participants question the validity of the equations presented.

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There is ongoing clarification regarding the equations used and the definitions of variables. Some participants are seeking to verify the correctness of the equations and whether they accurately represent the problem. The discussion is productive, with participants actively questioning assumptions and seeking to refine their understanding.

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Participants note the presence of multiple unknowns and the need for clearer definitions of variables to progress. There is mention of potential typos in the equations, which adds to the complexity of the discussion.

JoeyBob
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change length= a*original length * change in temp
So if I am understanding the question correctly, I need to find the change in temperature that causes one rights outer radii to be the same as another rings inner radii.

Now what I tried is two equations

change length_1= a_1*original length_inner * change in temp

change length_2= a_2*original length_outer * change in temp

But the problem is that there is one too many unknowns here - i don't know the temp, change in L_1 or change in L-2. Either there's another equation I am missing or I am using the wrong approach.
 

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Okay I think I found the equation I was missing.

L_1+change in L_2 = L_2 + change in L_2

The answer I got was only a bit off from the right answer, probably from rounding or something.
 
JoeyBob said:
Okay I think I found the equation I was missing.

L_1+change in L_2 = L_2 + change in L_2

The answer I got was only a bit off from the right answer, probably from rounding or something.
That equation makes no sense since you have "change in L_2" on both sides. What did you mean, in terms of the given variables ri etc? Use α1, α2 for the coefficients.
Please post your answer and working so that we can check whether it is just rounding error.
 
haruspex said:
That equation makes no sense since you have "change in L_2" on both sides. What did you mean, in terms of the given variables ri etc? Use α1, α2 for the coefficients.
Please post your answer and working so that we can check whether it is just rounding error.
It looks like a typo.
 
haruspex said:
That equation makes no sense since you have "change in L_2" on both sides. What did you mean, in terms of the given variables ri etc? Use α1, α2 for the coefficients.
Please post your answer and working so that we can check whether it is just rounding error.
Its a typo. change in L_1.

The 3 equations are correct?
 
JoeyBob said:
The 3 equations are correct?
Impossible to say without definitions of the variables.
This is certainly correct:
find the change in temperature that causes one ring's outer radius to be the same as the other ring's inner radius.
But you have not posted an equation that expresses that in terms of r1, r2, α1, α2 and Δθ.
 

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