Thermal Expansion of a Wire Connected To a Rod

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The discussion revolves around the thermal expansion of a wire connected to a rod, focusing on how temperature changes affect the lengths and stresses in the materials involved. The subject area includes concepts of thermal expansion, stress, and Young's modulus.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of thermal strain and stress in the wire, with attempts to clarify the differences between natural and actual strains. Questions arise regarding the arithmetic involved in stress calculations and the implications of the rod's influence on the wire's elongation.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the conceptual approach, while others have pointed out potential errors in calculations. There is an ongoing examination of the arithmetic and its impact on the final stress values, with no explicit consensus reached on the correctness of the calculations.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the information shared and the depth of discussion. There is a focus on ensuring clarity in the calculations and understanding the relationships between the materials involved.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


ΔL=LαΔT
σ=EΔL/L

The Attempt at a Solution


For part a, I used the coefficient of linear expansion for copper and the change in temperature to find the change in length (0.068%). I thought part b had the same answer. The two are attached, and I would imagine that the elongation would be controlled by the thick rod rather than the thin wire. For part c , I found the length the natural strain of the wire due to thermal expansion (0.048%). I then took the difference between the actual strain and the natural strain and multiplied by young's modulus to find the additional stress (2.4*10^7 N/m^2). I then added that to the original stress (1.00*10^6 N/m^2) to get 2.5*10^7 N/m^2. Is this the correct approach? Thanks.
 

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person123 said:
For part c , I found the length the natural strain of the wire due to thermal expansion (0.048%).
Fine to here, but I am not quite clear on what you did next. Please post the details.
 
I knew that the wire would stretch 0.048% without the rod, but it is actually stretched 0.068%. I took the difference of the two values to find the additional strain due to the rod stretching the wire. I then multiplied that by Young's Modulus to find the additional stress:

σ=(2.0*10^11 N/m^2)(0.068%-0.048%)=2.4*10^7 N/m^2.

I then added that stress to the original stress the wire was under (1.00*10^6 N/m^2). This gave me the answer 2.5*10^7 N/m^2.
 
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person123 said:
σ=(2.0*10^100 N/m^2)(0.068%-0.048%)=2.4*10^7 N/m^2.
I guess you meant 1011, not 10100, but the 2.4 is wrong.
 
Oh, I realized I made a careless error. It is 2*10^-4 . The final answer becomes 41*10^6 N/m^2. The answers just came up, and it's correct.
 
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person123 said:
Yes, I meant 10^11
But the 2.4 is still wrong.
 
person123 said:

Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


ΔL=LαΔT
σ=EΔL/L

The Attempt at a Solution


For part a, I used the coefficient of linear expansion for copper and the change in temperature to find the change in length (0.068%). I thought part b had the same answer. The two are attached, and I would imagine that the elongation would be controlled by the thick rod rather than the thin wire. For part c , I found the length the natural strain of the wire due to thermal expansion (0.048%). I then took the difference between the actual strain and the natural strain and multiplied by young's modulus to find the additional stress (2.4*10^7 N/m^2). I then added that to the original stress (1.00*10^6 N/m^2) to get 2.5*10^7 N/m^2. Is this the correct approach? Thanks.
I think that your conceptual approach is correct. I'm not so sure that you did the arithmetic correctly.
 

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