Linear expansion in a brass plug and steel ring

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining the temperature at which a brass plug can fit into a steel ring, given their initial dimensions and coefficients of linear expansion. The subject area pertains to thermal expansion in materials, specifically focusing on brass and steel.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to set up a system of equations based on linear expansion, questioning the validity of their calculations and the coefficients used. Some participants suggest using the volume coefficient of expansion for brass instead of the linear coefficient, while others question the reasoning behind this approach.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the coefficients of expansion and their impact on the results. Some guidance has been offered regarding the sensitivity of the results to the chosen coefficients, and there is acknowledgment of potential discrepancies based on different sources.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the coefficients of thermal expansion can vary based on the source, and there is a discussion about the implications of using different values for brass and steel. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the assignment's expected answer compared to their calculations.

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Homework Statement



"A round plug made of brass has a diameter of 87.53 mm at 20 C. The plug is to be fitted to a steel ring of inside diameter 87.43 mm. To what common temperature must they be brought in order to fit?"

The linear coefficient of expansion for brass:
\alpha_{b} = 18.7 \cdot 10^{-6} {\frac{\texttt{m}}{\texttt{m} \cdot \texttt{K}}

and steel:
\alpha_{s} = 13 \cdot 10^{-6} {\frac{\texttt{m}}{\texttt{m} \cdot \texttt{K}}

Unknowns: Delta T, L sub F (final L) for both brass and steel.

Homework Equations



As we are seeking a diameter, I assumed that the linear expansion equation would be sufficient:
\Delta L = \alpha \cdot \Delta T \cdot L_{0}

The Attempt at a Solution



I interpret this as a system of linear equations. Delta T is what is sought; L final is also unknown. So we have two equations with two unknowns.

Taking the original linear expansion equation for brass:
L_{b} - L_{f} = \alpha_{b} \cdot \Delta T \cdot L_{b}

I transform it algebraically to make L final the subject:

L_{f} = L_{b} - \alpha_{b} \cdot \Delta T \cdot L_{b}

I do the same for the steel ring and make the two equations equal each other, then I solve for delta T:

\Delta T = \frac{L_{s}-L_{b}}{\alpha_{s} \cdot L_{s} - \alpha_{b} \cdot L_{b}}

I substitute in my values, converting everything to base units (metres from millimetres), then cancelling units, and my result is

\Delta T = 199.91 \texttt{K}

Now, here is the rub - the answer provided in the assignment is -123 C. If I take 20 C and subtract 199, I get -179 C. These answers vary widely, but I cannot see what I have done wrong here. The coefficients were not the ones provided with the assignment, but came out of a table http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/linear-expansion-coefficients-d_95.html" , which the instructor has used as a source in the past.

What have I done wrong here? If the work looks good, how likely is that this discrepancy would be caused by the linear expansion coefficients used?

PS: The LaTeX renderer in the post previewer is broken, so forgive me if the first example of the linear expansion equation is actually the linear expansion coefficient for steel. That is not what is in my source code.
 
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For steel you have to use the linear coefficient of expansion (αs) where as for brass you have to use the volume coefficient of expansion which is equal to 3*(αb).
 
rl.bhat said:
For steel you have to use the linear coefficient of expansion (αs) where as for brass you have to use the volume coefficient of expansion which is equal to 3*(αb).

Why? We are measuring a diameter in both cases, which is linear.
 
Anything else to add? How does my work look?
 
The result is quite sensitive to the values of the coefficients.
Using the values from this table,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coefficient_of_thermal_expansion

(i.e. in units of 10^(-6), 19 for brass and 11 for steel) I find 122.6 degrees.

With your values (18.7 and 13), which may not be wrong after all, I've got your original result. It may be just a matter of parameters' values. Consider also the fact that for steel they provide a range of values.
 
nasu said:
The result is quite sensitive to the values of the coefficients.
Using the values from this table,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coefficient_of_thermal_expansion

(i.e. in units of 10^(-6), 19 for brass and 11 for steel) I find 122.6 degrees.

With your values (18.7 and 13), which may not be wrong after all, I've got your original result. It may be just a matter of parameters' values. Consider also the fact that for steel they provide a range of values.

Okay -- that is reassuring. It is probably just a question of which coefficients were used - your result is not far from result given. Thanks!
 

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