How much ice is needed to cool 31055.04J of water from 42°C to 0°C?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the amount of ice needed to cool a specific quantity of water from 42°C to 0°C, involving concepts of heat transfer and phase changes in thermodynamics.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relevance of temperature in heat transfer calculations, particularly questioning the use of 42°C in the context of the heat lost by the ice. There is a focus on understanding the phase change of ice and its implications for the calculations.

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Some participants have expressed agreement on certain calculations while questioning the assumptions made regarding the temperature of the ice. Clarifications have been provided about the conditions under which the ice is melting, leading to a more focused approach on the heat exchange involved in the phase change.

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Participants note that the ice is in an ice-water bath at 0°C, which influences the calculations regarding heat transfer and phase change. There is an emphasis on the need to consider only the heat lost to the ice-water bath rather than any heating of the ice itself.

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Two rods, one made of brass and the other made of copper, are joined end to end. The length of the brass section is 0.300m and the length of the copper section is 0.800 m. Each segment has cross-sectional area ##0.00500m^2##. The free end of the brass segment is in boiling water and the free end of the copper segment is in an ice–water mixture, in both cases under normal atmospheric pressure. The sides of the rods are insulated so there is no heat loss to the surroundings. (a) What is the temperature of the point where the brass and copper segments are joined? (b) What mass of ice is melted in 5.00 min by the heat conducted by the composite rod?
Relevant Equations
$$H=\frac{dQ}{dt}=kA\frac{T_{H}-T_{C}}{L}$$
##k_{brass}=109\frac{W}{m\cdot K}## ##k_{copper}=385\frac{W}{m\cdot K}##
My answer:

a.
$$H=\frac{dQ}{dt}$$
$$H_{brass}=H_{copper}$$
$$(109\frac{W}{m\cdot K})(0.005m^2)\frac{100^{\circ}C-T_{c}}{0.3m}=(385\frac{W}{m\cdot K})(0.005m^2)\frac{T_{H}-0^{\circ}C}{0.8m}$$
$$T_{H,Cu}=T_{C,brass}=T_{2}$$
$$-1.8166667T_{2}+181.666667^{\circ}C=2.40625T_{2}\Rightarrow T_{2}=43.02^{\circ}C$$

b.
$$\frac{dQ}{dt}=103.5168J/s\Rightarrow \delta Q=(103.5168J/s)(5 min)=31055.04J$$
##c_{ice}=2100J/(kg\cdot C^{\circ})## ##L_{f,water}=334\cdot 10^3J/kg##

$$Q_{ice}=m(2100J/(kg\cdot C^{\circ}))(42^{\circ}C)+m(334\cdot 10^3J/kg)$$

$$31055.04J=(424342J/kg)m\Rightarrow m=0.073kg$$Is this correct?
 
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I agree with your answer to a, but what relevance has 42C to part b?
 
haruspex said:
I agree with your answer to a, but what relevance has 42C to part b?
I just plugged the 42C in for Tc in the right hand side or Th in the left hand side to get dQ/dt...I don’t know if this is correct.
Should I have used 42C in finding the quantity of heat for ice?
 
No. The ice is in an ice-water bath at 0 C, and the only thing happening is that the ice at 0 C is melting to form water at 0 C. It is not heating up to 42 C. The only place where the temperature is 42 C is at the junction between the copper and the brass.
 
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Chestermiller said:
No. The ice is in an ice-water bath at 0 C, and the only thing happening is that the ice at 0 C is melting to form water at 0 C. It is not heating up to 42 C. The only place where the temperature is 42 C is at the junction between the copper and the brass.
Thanks for that. That alone just cleared up a lot of confusion I had. That means I should only be considering the heat produced from the ice changing phase heat lost to the ice-water bath.

From that I got m= 0.093 kg= 93 g.
 
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cwill53 said:
Thanks for that. That alone just cleared up a lot of confusion I had. That means I should only be considering the heat produced from the ice changing phase.

From that I got m= 0.093 kg.
I wouldn't call it heat produced. I would call it heat lost to the ice water bath. I haven't checked your math, but your approach is correct. Also, I would express the result as 93 grams.
 
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