Linear Transformation: Does T(V) ⊆ W?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the properties of linear transformations, specifically whether the image of a linear transformation T, denoted T(V), is necessarily a subset of the codomain W. Participants explore the definitions and implications of linear transformations and functions in general.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether T(V) ⊆ W is necessarily true, expressing uncertainty about the implications of T being a linear transformation.
  • Another participant asserts that T(V) is indeed the range of the transformation, which is always a subset of the codomain, suggesting that this is a fundamental property of functions.
  • A later reply acknowledges confusion regarding the distinction between range and domain, indicating a misunderstanding of how undefined values relate to these concepts.
  • Some participants emphasize that the relationship between range and codomain is a general property of all functions, not just linear transformations.
  • One participant reflects on their historical understanding of functions and mappings, noting a potential influence from older mathematical texts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While some participants agree on the fundamental property that the range is a subset of the codomain, there is a lack of consensus on the initial question posed regarding linear transformations, as one participant expresses uncertainty and confusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants exhibit varying levels of understanding regarding the definitions of range and domain, and there are indications of assumptions based on historical perspectives of mathematical functions.

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Say I have a linear transformation T:V##\rightarrow##W. Can I necessarily say that T(V)##\subseteq##W?

I feel like T being a linear transformation would make the function behave enough to force things to not be undefined but I can't be certain..
 
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Of course. T(V) is the range which is always a subset of the codomain.
 
Hmm. I see. Thanks! I'm losing my mind.
 
Do you understand that this is true for any function ever? That is how functions are defined, the range is a subset of the codomain.
 
Yea. I messed up my reasoning with the range and the domain. I switched them around thinking that if something was undefined then it wouldn't be in the range. Like if x=0 and f(x)=1/x then 1/0 is not in the range but it is x=0 that is not in the domain.
 
verty said:
Do you understand that this is true for any function ever? That is how functions are defined, the range is a subset of the codomain.


Any mapping ever, really.
 
A David said:
Any mapping ever, really.

I still have the old mindset where every collection is a set and every mapping is a function. Probably this is from reading books not much more recent than the 60's.
 

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