Linearity of Heat Conductance - Is Heat Transfer the Same in All Directions?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the linearity of heat conductance and whether heat transfer behaves uniformly in all directions within a solid medium. Participants explore theoretical scenarios involving heat sources and cooling mechanisms, questioning the implications of geometry on heat transfer rates.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether each side of a cube contributes equally to cooling, suggesting a potential 1/6 contribution from a single side.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption that cooling contributions can be simply divided in non-cubic geometries, stating that 3-D conduction is not solely a function of one dimension.
  • A participant raises the question of whether 3-D heat transfer by conduction is linear, referencing the heat transfer equation and asking if the total heat transfer can be summed from multiple cooling sources.
  • One response indicates that the process can be assumed linear if material properties are not temperature-dependent, but cautions against directly summing results from differently sized geometries.
  • A later reply expresses confidence in summing contributions from multiple cooling spots, given the assumption of constant heat coefficients.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the linearity of heat transfer in various geometries and whether contributions can be summed. No consensus is reached regarding the implications of geometry on cooling contributions or the linearity of heat transfer in three dimensions.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of the heat transfer process, particularly regarding the dependence of coefficients on temperature and the complexities introduced by different geometries.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying heat transfer, thermal engineering, or conducting experiments related to thermal dynamics in various geometrical configurations.

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Heat conductance - linear?

Hello forum friends,

I have stumbled upon the fallowing heat conduction problem:
Consider a heat source of constant power embedded inside a solid with a constant heat capacity and conductance. Around the source is a box with a constant temperature, which cools the source.
My question is: If the box is a cube, can I conclude that each side contributes equally to the cooling? If I had just one side (out of 6) could I conclude 1/6 cooling?
However if the box is not a cube. Two opposite sides are pulled 2 times further off, can I conclude a cooling of 1/2 about these sides?

Is heat conductance in two or three dimensions a linear problem?
 
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Hi Yoni,
Yoni said:
If the box is a cube, can I conclude that each side contributes equally to the cooling? If I had just one side (out of 6) could I conclude 1/6 cooling?

Yes, but it wouldn't be much help in figuring out the answer. You'd have to model conduction in a pyramid, where the base is the original side of the cube and the other sides are adiabatic.
Yoni said:
However if the box is not a cube. Two opposite sides are pulled 2 times further off, can I conclude a cooling of 1/2 about these sides?

No, because 3-D conduction is not merely a function of that single dimension.

I don't recall the solution for the geometry you describe, but you can probably find one in one of the handbooks for conduction heat transfer.
 
Hello,
The fallowing question is troubling me, and I need to fully understand it before I go forth with my experiment:
Is 3-D transfer of heat by conduction linear?

Consider a point in space which is heated. The heated source is r1 distance from a cooling source (which cools by convection), and r2 distance from a second cooling source.
The heat transfer equation: [ dQ/dt = h*dT/dx ] predicts the transfer of heat from one source to the other as a function of the temperature gradient.
So if I calculate the dQ/dt from one cooling source, and the dQ/dt of the other, can I conclude that the total transfer of heat is the sum?
If not, why? Is it because of the transfer of heat between the two cooling sources? Can I neglect this?

I'd appreciate any help,
Yoni

P.S please do not move this to a "homework forum", this is a basic question.
 
You can assume that the process is linear, as long no coefficients or material properties in your equations are functions of temperature. For example, [itex]h\frac{dT}{dx}[/itex] is linear as long as h isn't a function of temperature. In practice, this means that the temperature difference should be small.

But note that this is a slightly different question from that in your post https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=236917" from yesterday. You can't calculate heat transfer results from two differently sized cubes, add them together, and expect to get the correct results for a rectangular box.
 
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Thanks for your help. I have the solution a single tranfer of heat betwin a source and one cooling spot. Since I don't expect the heat coefficient to be dependent on temperature, I understand I can just sum the contributions of all cooling spot to get the over all cooling of the source.
Best to all of you...
 

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