Linearly dependent or independent functions?

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The discussion revolves around determining whether the functions y=0 and y=sinh(pi*x) are linearly dependent or independent for x>0. Participants explore the implications of including the zero function in a set of functions and how this affects linear dependence.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the reasoning behind linear dependence, with some attempting to use division of functions to illustrate their points. Others question the relevance of the class context and explore related examples involving logarithmic functions.

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Several participants have provided insights into the nature of linear dependence, particularly regarding the zero function. There is a mix of reasoning approaches, and while some participants express confidence in their understanding, others seek clarification on their methods.

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The discussion references a linear algebra class focused on second-order linear ordinary differential equations, which may influence the participants' understanding and approaches to the problem.

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Are the functions y=0 and y=sinh(pi*x) linearly dependent or linearly independent on the intercal x>0?

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do here, but I try to divide them:

0/sinh(pi*x). This is certainly 0, since sinh (pi*x) is positive when x>0. Since 0 is a constant, the functions must be linearly dependent.

Am I right?
 
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Any set that contains the 0 vector is linearly dependent.

In this case, the zero function is the zero vector of the space of functions defined on [o,infinity).

This is because any vector written as a linear combination of linearly independent vectors should have a unique linear combination... however, with the 0 vector included, you can come up with as many linear combinations as you want.

Hope this helps
 
Thanks. I haven't learned that much about matrixes yet. But the way I reasoned is plausible as well?
 
It really depends on what type of class this is for.

Is this a linear algebra class?
 
wbclark said:
It really depends on what type of class this is for.

Is this a linear algebra class?

Yes. This chapter is called "Second order linear ODEs".

Another problem involves the functions ln x and ln(x^2). Then I wrote ln(x^2) as 2ln x, and since ln x/2ln x = 1/2, the functions are lineary dependent.
 
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Ahhh, ok.

I would probably just point out that the functions are linearly dependent because one can be written as a linear combination of the other.

Let f(x) = 0
Let y(x) = sin(pi*x)

f(x) = 0 = 0 * sin(pi*x) = 0 * g(x)

Since f(x) is written here as a constant times g(x), you have linearly dependent functions.
 
I was a little puzzled why you divided them. A set of vectors is "independent" if and only if the only linear combination,
[tex]\alpha_1 v_1+ \alpha_2 v_2+ \cdot\cdot\cdot+ \alpha_n v_n= 0[/tex]
must have all the [/alpha]s equal to 0.
Of course, for just two vectors (or functions) that is
[tex]\alpha_1 f+ \alpha_2 g= 0[/tex]
must have [itex]\alpha_1= \alpha_2= 0[/itex]. If that's not true, if the functions are dependent, then
[tex]\frac{f}{g}= -\frac{\alpha_1}{\alpha_2}[/tex]
exists and is non 0. So your method is correct.
 

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