Liquid-solid phase composition: Binary phase diagrams

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the behavior of liquid and solid phases in binary phase diagrams, particularly focusing on the implications of tie lines and how they relate to the compositions of different alloys at varying temperatures. Participants explore the relationship between general composition and phase composition in the context of phase transitions.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the composition of the liquid or solid phase remains constant across different general compositions of an alloy when using a tie line in a binary phase diagram.
  • Another participant explains that the horizontal line represents a line of constant temperature, suggesting that the phase behavior can be read from the diagram regardless of the initial composition.
  • A further clarification is provided regarding the behavior of specific alloys, noting that even with different general compositions, the tie line yields the same phase compositions at a given temperature.
  • One participant provides an example involving ice and salt, indicating that the composition of the liquid phase is dependent on temperature and solubility rather than the general composition of the alloy.
  • Another participant discusses the concept of a vertical line in the diagram, stating that while the overall mixture composition remains constant, the individual phases can have different compositions depending on the phase ratios.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the implications of tie lines and phase compositions, with some agreeing on the behavior of phases while others remain uncertain about the underlying principles. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the initial question posed.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion regarding the relationship between general composition and phase composition, indicating a potential gap in understanding the principles governing binary phase diagrams. The discussion highlights the complexity of phase behavior and the need for clarity on how compositions are determined at different temperatures.

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In binary phase diagram, We draw a tie line to know the composition of the liquid phase or the solid phase. Where the tie line is just a horizontal line.

The question is why doesn't the liquid or solid phase composition change as you change the general composition of the alloy? Why does the horizontal line give the liquid/solid composition for any general composition? Shouldn't the matter behave differently as you change the general composition?
 
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I am not sure I understand your question. Horizontal line is just a line of constant temperature. No matter what the composition is, you can heat the mixture to any temperature. Then, from the diagram, you can read what to expect - just a solid mixture, just a liquid mixture, or some combination of both.
 
Borek said:
I am not sure I understand your question. Horizontal line is just a line of constant temperature. No matter what the composition is, you can heat the mixture to any temperature. Then, from the diagram, you can read what to expect - just a solid mixture, just a liquid mixture, or some combination of both.
My bad, Say you have a alloy made of 40% A and 60% B and another alloy 30% A and 70% B, if you heat both to the same temperature where you would have two phases ( Solid and liquid), Using tie line, You will find that the liquid or solid phase has the same composition regardless of the general composition of the alloy. Like shouldn't each alloy have a different cooling composition?

It might seem a dumb question but I don't really understand why the tie line would give the composition of the liquid or solid phase for any general composition at some temperature.
 
Example - alloy of ice and salt. The composition of liquid depends on the temperature and thus solubility of salt in water. Not on general composition of alloy - only the amount of solid and liquid varies.
 
Vertical line is where the mixture has a given composition (defined by the x coordinate). When there are two phases present they can have different compositions as long as their mixture has the correct ratio of both alloyed substances.

Say you have a jar of water solution of a salt that has solubility of 100 g of salt per 100 g of water at 100°C, but is almost insoluble at 0°C. You start with a 50/50 mixture at 100°C and you cool it down. Salt drops out from the solution and you have two phases - pure salt, and solution that has less and less dissolved salt. But the content of the jar is still the same 50/50.
 

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