List all the ideals of Q[x] containing the element f(x) = (x2 + x - 1)3(x-3)2

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The problem involves identifying all the ideals in the polynomial ring Q[x] that contain the polynomial f(x) = (x² + x - 1)³(x - 3)². The discussion centers around the properties of ideals in this context.

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  • Participants explore the nature of ideals containing f(x) and question the basis for their definitions. There is a discussion about the smallest ideal generated by f(x) and the maximal ideals related to its factors. Some participants seek clarification on the notation used for ideals.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations of the ideals being explored. Some participants have offered insights into the structure of ideals in Q[x], while others are questioning assumptions about divisibility and the nature of the ideals being discussed.

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There is a mention of a specific polynomial, (x - 2), as a point of contention regarding the definition of ideals in Q[x]. Additionally, the discussion includes the need for clarity on the notation for generated ideals.

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Homework Statement


List all the ideals of Q[x] containing the element
f(x) = (x2 + x - 1)3(x-3)2


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Why would an ideal contain this element?
when all ideals in Q[x] are defined by being divisible by (x-2)
 
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The smallest ideal containing above f(x) is probably (f(x)).
The maximal ideal containing f(x) is both (x^2+x-1) and (x-3).

You can find the ideals in between.
 
enigmahunter, do you mean, by (f(x)) the ideal generated by f(x): the set of all polynomials of the form af(x) where a is a rational number? And, I presume that, by "(x^2+x-1) and (x-3)" you mean the ideal generated by those two polynomials.

phyguy321, where did you get the idea that "all ideals in Q[x] are defined by being divisible by (x-2)"? The set of all polynomials, p(x) with rational coefficients, such that p(1)= 0, for example, is an ideal in Q[x]. That includes many polynomials that are NOT divisible by x-2.
 
(f(x)) or <f(x)> (which one is standard?) denotes the ideal of Q[x] (polynomials with coefficients Q) generated by a subset of Q[x], which is f(x).
It is the set of all elements whose form are r*f(x) where r belongs to Q[x].
 
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