Local vs. global charge conservation

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of local versus global charge conservation in the context of field theories, specifically examining the implications of global U(1) symmetries in free complex scalar fields and Dirac fields. Participants explore the relationship between global symmetries and conservation laws, as well as the motivations for gauging symmetries to achieve local conservation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that theories with global U(1) symmetry lead to globally conserved charges, questioning how this can be demonstrated.
  • There is a suggestion that gauging a global symmetry transforms it into a local symmetry, which in turn allows for local conservation of charge.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the definitions of global and local symmetries, noting that a global symmetry is said to imply a local conservation law according to standard derivations of Noether's Theorem.
  • Another participant references a specific book that distinguishes between global and gauge symmetries, indicating a potential inconsistency with common textbook explanations.
  • It is proposed that gauging a symmetry is crucial for constructing consistent, Lorentz-invariant theories of interacting spin-1 particles, necessitating the introduction of gauge fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the definitions and implications of global versus local symmetries, as well as the necessity and significance of gauging symmetries. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views presented.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of definitions and the implications of gauging symmetries, as well as unresolved questions about the motivations for transitioning from global to local symmetries.

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Is it correct that theories such as the free complex scalar field or the free Dircac field with their global U(1) symmetry give rise to only globally conserved charges (a globally conserved Noether charge)? If so, how can that be shown?

Also, is it somewhat correct to say that the main reason for gauging a global symmetry, i.e. turning it into a local symmetry, is turning the globally conserverd charge into locally conserved one?

thank you
 
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kexue said:
Is it correct that theories such as the free complex scalar field or the free Dircac field with their global U(1) symmetry give rise to only globally conserved charges (a globally conserved Noether charge)? If so, how can that be shown?

Also, is it somewhat correct to say that the main reason for gauging a global symmetry, i.e. turning it into a local symmetry, is turning the globally conserverd charge into locally conserved one?

thank you

I'm not sure you're using the word "global" and "local" correctly. If you have a GLOBAL symmetry, you have a LOCAL conservation law:

[tex]\partial_\mu J^\mu=0[/tex]

This follows from a standard derivation of Noether's Theorem in your favorite textbook or on Wikipedia.

When you gauge a symmetry, thus making it a LOCAL symmetry, you still get the local conservation law, but you also introduce gauge fields (like the photon) coupling to your fermion or scalar. THAT is why you "gauge" the symmetry.

Hope that helps.
 
Well, I own a book, 'Moonshine beyond the monster' by Terry Gannon where on page 268 the author says that a global symmetry implies conservation of a global charge, whereas a gauge symmetry implies local conservation of charge. But as you point out every other textbook says that a global symmetry gives a local conservation law. That confused me.

Also, why then gauging a symmetry is necessary and so overly important is not clear at all to me. What is gained by making a global symmetry local?
 
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Never heard of that book, but the statement about "local conservation law" and "local symmetry" doesn't work for me.

A gauge symmetry is necessary for many reasons. Probably the biggest reason is that it is the only way we know of to write down a consistent, Lorentz-invariant local theory of interacting spin-1 particles (photon, W, Z, gluon, ...). By promoting a global symmetry to a local symmetry, you have to introduce "electromagnetism" and its various generalizations (weak nuclear force, strong nuclear force, etc).
 

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