Locus of Point $x^3+y^3= 8- 6xy$

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The discussion revolves around finding the locus of points defined by the equation $x^3+y^3= 8- 6xy$. Participants explore various solutions and approaches to this problem, which involves algebraic manipulation and analysis of the resulting equations.

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  • Some participants propose that the locus can be expressed as the straight line $y = 2 - x$ based on their solutions to the equation.
  • Others point out a potential typo in the original equation and suggest that there may be additional solutions that were not initially considered.
  • One participant provides a factorization of the equation, indicating that the locus consists of the line $x+y-2=0$ and a unique point $(-2,-2)$ derived from another equation.
  • Several participants reiterate the solutions involving complex numbers, noting that they do not contribute to the real x-y plane locus.
  • There is acknowledgment of previous answers, with some participants expressing reliance on earlier work to formulate their responses.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the line $y = 2 - x$ is part of the locus, but there is disagreement regarding the completeness of the solutions and whether additional solutions exist. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the potential typo and the missing solution.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention a typo in the original equation, which may affect the interpretation of the solutions. There is also a discussion about the nature of the solutions, including complex roots that do not apply to the real plane.

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This discussion may be useful for those interested in algebraic geometry, polynomial equations, and the exploration of loci in the context of mathematical reasoning and problem-solving.

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find locus of point $x^3+y^3= 8- 6xy$
 
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kaliprasad said:
find locus of point $x^3+y^3= 8- 6xy$

[sp]The solutions of the equation in y ...

$\displaystyle y^{3} + 6\ x\ y + x^{3} - 8 =0\ (1)$

... are...

$\displaystyle y = 2 - x$

$\displaystyle y = \frac{1}{2}\ \{ x - 2 - i\ \sqrt{3}\ (x + 2)\}$

$\displaystyle y = \frac{1}{2}\ \{ x - 2 + i\ \sqrt{3}\ (x + 2)\}\ (2)$

... so that in the real x-y plane the locus is the straight line $\displaystyle y = 2 - x$...[/sp]

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
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chisigma said:
[sp]The solutions of the equation in y ...

$\displaystyle y^{3} + 6\ x\ y + x^{3} + 8 =0\ (1)$

... are...

$\displaystyle y = 2 - x$

$\displaystyle y = \frac{1}{2}\ \{ x - 2 - i\ \sqrt{3}\ (x + 2)\}$

$\displaystyle y = \frac{1}{2}\ \{ x - 2 + i\ \sqrt{3}\ (x + 2)\}\ (2)$

... so that in the real x-y plane the locus is the straight line $\displaystyle y = 2 - x$...[/sp]

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$

you have done a mistake(typo error) in 1st line and one more solution is missing
 
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My solution:

The first thing I notice is that there is cyclic symmetry between $x$ and $y$, and so setting $y=x$, we find:

$$x^3+6x^2+x^3=2x^3+6x^2=8$$

$$x^2(x+3)-4=0$$

$$(x-1)(x+2)^2=0$$

Thus, we know the points:

$$(-2,-2),\,(1,1)$$

are on the given curve. Next, if we begin with the line:

$$y=2-x$$

and cube both sides:

$$y^3=8-12x+6x^2-x^3$$

We may arrange this as:

$$x^3+3\cdot2x(2-x)+y^3=8$$

Since $y=2-x$, we obtain:

$$x^3+6xy+y^3=8$$

Now since the point $(1,1)$ is on the line $y=2-x$ we conclude the locus of points is the line:

$$y=2-x$$ and the point $(-2,-2)$.
 
Having seen previous answers makes this easier!
[sp]$x^3 - 6xy + y^3 - 8 = (x+y-2)(x^2 - xy + y^2 + 2x + 2y + 4)$, so the locus consists of the line $x+y-2=0$ together with that given by $0 = x^2 - xy + y^2 + 2x + 2y + 4 = \frac14\bigl((x + y + 4)^2 + 3(x-y)^2\bigr).$ But then $x+y+4 = x-y = 0$, which has the unique solution $(x,y) = (-2,-2).$ So the locus consists of that line together with that point.[/sp]
 
chisigma said:
[sp]The solutions of the equation in y ...

$\displaystyle y^{3} + 6\ x\ y + x^{3} - 8 =0\ (1)$

... are...

$\displaystyle y = 2 - x$

$\displaystyle y = \frac{1}{2}\ \{ x - 2 - i\ \sqrt{3}\ (x + 2)\}$

$\displaystyle y = \frac{1}{2}\ \{ x - 2 + i\ \sqrt{3}\ (x + 2)\}\ (2)$

... so that in the real x-y plane the locus is the straight line $\displaystyle y = 2 - x$...[/sp]

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$

Good ans by Mark and Oplag

in the above from the 2nd and 3rd line the imaginary part could have been set to zero to get x = y = -2
My solution
take 8 to the left

$x^3+y^3-8 + 6xy=0$

or $x^3+y^3 + (-2)^3 - 3(-2) xy= 0$
above is of the form $a^3+b^3+c^3-3abc=0$

so $(x+y-2)\dfrac{1}{2}((x-y)^2 + (x+2)^2+(y+2)^2)=0$

comparing we get $x = y = -2$ or $x + y- 2 = 0$

so the locus is straight line $x+y=2$ and point (-2,-2)
 
This problem was very similar to a problem posted somewhere (I don't recall where) as a challenge, and I relied on my work from that to answer this question. Here is the other question:

Show that the curve $x^3+3xy+y^3=1$ has only one set of three distinct points, $P$, $Q$, and $R$ which are the vertices of an equilateral triangle, and find its area.

My solution:

The first thing I notice is that there is cyclic symmetry between $x$ and $y$, and so setting $y=x$, we find:

[math]2x^3+3x^2-1=(x+1)^2(2x-1)=0[/math]

Thus, we know the points:

[math](x,y)=(-1,-1),\,\left(\frac{1}{2},\frac{1}{2} \right)[/math]

are on the given curve. Next, if we begin with the line:

[math]y=1-x[/math]

and cube both sides, we obtain:

[math]y^3=1-3x+3x^2-x^3[/math]

We may arrange this as:

[math]x^3+3x(1-x)+y^3=1[/math]

Since $y=1-x$, we may now write

[math]x^3+3xy+y^3=1[/math]

And since the point [math]\left(\frac{1}{2},\frac{1}{2} \right)[/math] is on the line $y=1-x$, we know the locus of the given curve is the line $y=1-x$ and the point $(-1,-1)$. Hence, there can only be one set of points on the given curve that are the vertices of any triangle, equilateral or otherwise.

Using the formula for the distance between a point and a line, we find the altitude of the equilateral triangle will be:

[math]h=\frac{|(-1)(-1)+1-(-1)|}{\sqrt{(-1)^2+1}}=\frac{3}{\sqrt{2}}[/math]

Using the Pythagorean theorem, we find that the side lengths of the triangle must be:

[math]s=\frac{2}{\sqrt{3}}h=\sqrt{6}[/math]

And so the area of the triangle is:

[math]A=\frac{1}{2}sh=\frac{1}{2}\sqrt{6}\frac{3}{\sqrt{2}}=\frac{3\sqrt{3}}{2}[/math]
 

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