Log equation with two raised variables

In summary, the conversation discusses solving exponential equations and the use of basic rules of exponents and logarithms to solve them. The specific example given is 15e^(x+1) = 5e^(x+2) and the process of solving this equation is outlined using the rules of exponents and logarithms. The conversation also touches on the general form of e^x+a = e^x+b and its solutions.
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QuarkCharmer
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Homework Statement


This is not a specific problem that I must complete, but I realized that I forgot how to solve these style problems!

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



For instance, off the top of my head:
[tex]3e^{x+1}=e^{x+2}[/tex]

I would divide both sides through by 5 to get:
[tex]3e^{x+1}=e^{x+2}[/tex]
^This should look like: 3e^(x+1)=e^(x+2), I don't know what is up with latex.

Then I would probably take the natural log of both sides, but that coefficient is messing up my idea. Can I do this?
[tex](x+1)ln3e = (x+2)lne[/tex]
[tex](x+1)ln3e = (x+2)[/tex]
[tex]xln3e + ln3e = x+2[/tex]
[tex]x(ln3e + ln3e) = x+2[/tex]
[tex]x(ln3e + ln3e) - x = 2[/tex]
[tex]x((ln3e + ln3e) - 1 = 2[/tex]
[tex]ln3e + ln3e - 1 = \frac{2}{x}[/tex]

If that is even possible, which I highly doubt, I am stuck.
 
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Is the question this:-

[tex]15e^{x+1} = 5e^{x+2}[/tex]
 
  • #3
Yes it is.
 
  • #4
QuarkCharmer said:

Homework Statement


This is not a specific problem that I must complete, but I realized that I forgot how to solve these style problems!

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



For instance, off the top of my head:
[tex]15e^{x+1}=5e^{x+2}[/tex]
Fixed the LaTeX in the equation above. Here's what you do.
[tex]15e^{x+1} - 5e^{x+2} = 0[/tex]
[tex]15e\cdot e^x - 5e^2 \cdot e^x = 0[/tex]
[tex]5e^x(3e - e^2 ) = 0[/tex]
Then either 5ex = 0 or 3e - e2 = 0, neither of which can happen.


QuarkCharmer said:
I would divide both sides through by 5 to get:
[tex]3e^(x+1)=e^(x+2)[/tex]
^This should look like: 3e^(x+1)=e^(x+2), I don't know what is up with latex.

Then I would probably take the natural log of both sides, but that coefficient is messing up my idea. Can I do this?
[tex](x+1)ln3e = (x+2)lne[/tex]
[tex](x+1)ln3e = (x+2)[/tex]
[tex]xln3e + ln3e = x+2[/tex]
[tex]x(ln3e + ln3e) = x+2[/tex]
[tex]x(ln3e + ln3e) - x = 2[/tex]
[tex]x((ln3e + ln3e) - 1 = 2[/tex]
[tex]ln3e + ln3e - 1 = \frac{2}{x}[/tex]

If that is even possible, which I highly doubt, I am stuck.
 
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I repaired the latex, thank you, the code seems to have changed on me!

I don't really mean (this) specific problem, just anything with the general form
e^x+a = e^x+b

Always unsolvable?

Edit: Now that I think about it, I think one of the exponents was negative in the problems I am talking about.
e^x = e^-x
 
  • #6
QuarkCharmer said:
I repaired the latex, thank you, the code seems to have changed on me!

I don't really mean (this) specific problem, just anything with the general form
e^x+a = e^x+b
If you write them that way, you need parentheses, as in
e^(x + a) = e^(x + b)

At least that's what I think you mean.
With this equation, you can take the log of both sides, to get x + a = x + b, which is a true statement iff a = b.
QuarkCharmer said:
Always unsolvable?

Edit: Now that I think about it, I think one of the exponents was negative in the problems I am talking about.
e^x = e^-x

Again, take the log of each side, which results in the equation x = -x, or 2x = 0, or x = 0.
 
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x=-x and 2x=0 isn't really possible unless x = 0, but I don't understand how you methodically arrived at that conclusion. How would you solve these types algebraically if possible, and how would you solve a similar problem with the coefficient attached such that:
[tex]2e^{(x+1)} = e^{-(x+2)}[/tex]
 
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QuarkCharmer said:
x=-x and 2x=0 isn't really possible unless x = 0, but I don't understand how you methodically arrived at that conclusion. How would you solve these types algebraically if possible, and how would you solve a similar problem with the coefficient attached such that:
[tex]2e^{(x+1)} = e^{-(x+2)}[/tex]

I tried to solve it like this:-

[tex]2e^{(x+1)} = e^{-(x+2)}[/tex]

[itex]\Rightarrow[/itex][itex]2=\frac{e^{-x-2}}{e^{x+1}}[/itex]

[itex]\Rightarrow[/itex][itex]2=e^{-2x-3}[/itex]

[itex]\Rightarrow[/itex][itex]\log_e 2=-2x-3[/itex]

Try solving it further :smile:
 
  • #9
I see how to solve that, but I am unsure how you reached this step?
[tex]2=e^{-2x-3}[/tex]

How does
[tex]\frac{e^{-x-2}}{e^{x+1}} = e^{-2x-3} [/tex]

You are just subtracting the exponents? I guess I never considered that lol.
 
  • #10
QuarkCharmer said:
I see how to solve that, but I am unsure how you reached this step?
[tex]2=e^{-2x-3}[/tex]

How does
[tex]\frac{e^{-x-2}}{e^{x+1}} = e^{-2x-3} [/tex]

You are just subtracting the exponents? I guess I never considered that lol.

Yeah, i am subtracting the exponents...:smile:
 
  • #11
QuarkCharmer said:
I see how to solve that, but I am unsure how you reached this step?
[tex]2=e^{-2x-3}[/tex]

How does
[tex]\frac{e^{-x-2}}{e^{x+1}} = e^{-2x-3} [/tex]

You are just subtracting the exponents? I guess I never considered that lol.
If you are brushing up on solving exponential equations, you really ought to review the basic rules of exponents and the rules of logarithms...
 
  • #12
Mark44 said:
If you are brushing up on solving exponential equations, you really ought to review the basic rules of exponents and the rules of logarithms...

I came to the same conclusion.
 

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What is a log equation with two raised variables?

A log equation with two raised variables is an equation that involves logarithms and has two variables raised to different powers. It typically takes the form of log(base a) x = y, where x and y are variables and a is the base of the logarithm.

How do I solve a log equation with two raised variables?

To solve a log equation with two raised variables, you can use the properties of logarithms and algebraic techniques. First, use the property log(base a) x = y to rewrite the equation as x = a^y. Then, you can use traditional algebraic techniques to solve for the variable.

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Log equations with two raised variables are commonly used in fields such as mathematics, physics, and engineering to model relationships between two variables that are not directly proportional. They are also useful in solving exponential growth and decay problems.

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