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The discussion revolves around solving equations involving exponential functions, specifically those of the form \( e^{x+a} = e^{x+b} \) and variations with coefficients. Participants express uncertainty about their ability to solve these types of problems and share examples to clarify their thoughts.

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  • Participants discuss various forms of exponential equations and express confusion about manipulating them, particularly when coefficients are involved. Questions arise regarding the validity of taking logarithms and the implications of certain algebraic steps.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to solving the equations, with participants sharing their attempts and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance on manipulating exponents and logarithms has been offered, but no consensus on a specific method has been reached.

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Participants note that they are not addressing a specific problem but rather seeking to understand the general principles behind solving exponential equations. There is mention of potential constraints in the forms of equations they are considering, including negative exponents and coefficients.

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Homework Statement


This is not a specific problem that I must complete, but I realized that I forgot how to solve these style problems!

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For instance, off the top of my head:
[tex]3e^{x+1}=e^{x+2}[/tex]

I would divide both sides through by 5 to get:
[tex]3e^{x+1}=e^{x+2}[/tex]
^This should look like: 3e^(x+1)=e^(x+2), I don't know what is up with latex.

Then I would probably take the natural log of both sides, but that coefficient is messing up my idea. Can I do this?
[tex](x+1)ln3e = (x+2)lne[/tex]
[tex](x+1)ln3e = (x+2)[/tex]
[tex]xln3e + ln3e = x+2[/tex]
[tex]x(ln3e + ln3e) = x+2[/tex]
[tex]x(ln3e + ln3e) - x = 2[/tex]
[tex]x((ln3e + ln3e) - 1 = 2[/tex]
[tex]ln3e + ln3e - 1 = \frac{2}{x}[/tex]

If that is even possible, which I highly doubt, I am stuck.
 
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Is the question this:-

[tex]15e^{x+1} = 5e^{x+2}[/tex]
 
Yes it is.
 
QuarkCharmer said:

Homework Statement


This is not a specific problem that I must complete, but I realized that I forgot how to solve these style problems!

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



For instance, off the top of my head:
[tex]15e^{x+1}=5e^{x+2}[/tex]
Fixed the LaTeX in the equation above. Here's what you do.
[tex]15e^{x+1} - 5e^{x+2} = 0[/tex]
[tex]15e\cdot e^x - 5e^2 \cdot e^x = 0[/tex]
[tex]5e^x(3e - e^2 ) = 0[/tex]
Then either 5ex = 0 or 3e - e2 = 0, neither of which can happen.


QuarkCharmer said:
I would divide both sides through by 5 to get:
[tex]3e^(x+1)=e^(x+2)[/tex]
^This should look like: 3e^(x+1)=e^(x+2), I don't know what is up with latex.

Then I would probably take the natural log of both sides, but that coefficient is messing up my idea. Can I do this?
[tex](x+1)ln3e = (x+2)lne[/tex]
[tex](x+1)ln3e = (x+2)[/tex]
[tex]xln3e + ln3e = x+2[/tex]
[tex]x(ln3e + ln3e) = x+2[/tex]
[tex]x(ln3e + ln3e) - x = 2[/tex]
[tex]x((ln3e + ln3e) - 1 = 2[/tex]
[tex]ln3e + ln3e - 1 = \frac{2}{x}[/tex]

If that is even possible, which I highly doubt, I am stuck.
 
I repaired the latex, thank you, the code seems to have changed on me!

I don't really mean (this) specific problem, just anything with the general form
e^x+a = e^x+b

Always unsolvable?

Edit: Now that I think about it, I think one of the exponents was negative in the problems I am talking about.
e^x = e^-x
 
QuarkCharmer said:
I repaired the latex, thank you, the code seems to have changed on me!

I don't really mean (this) specific problem, just anything with the general form
e^x+a = e^x+b
If you write them that way, you need parentheses, as in
e^(x + a) = e^(x + b)

At least that's what I think you mean.
With this equation, you can take the log of both sides, to get x + a = x + b, which is a true statement iff a = b.
QuarkCharmer said:
Always unsolvable?

Edit: Now that I think about it, I think one of the exponents was negative in the problems I am talking about.
e^x = e^-x

Again, take the log of each side, which results in the equation x = -x, or 2x = 0, or x = 0.
 
x=-x and 2x=0 isn't really possible unless x = 0, but I don't understand how you methodically arrived at that conclusion. How would you solve these types algebraically if possible, and how would you solve a similar problem with the coefficient attached such that:
[tex]2e^{(x+1)} = e^{-(x+2)}[/tex]
 
QuarkCharmer said:
x=-x and 2x=0 isn't really possible unless x = 0, but I don't understand how you methodically arrived at that conclusion. How would you solve these types algebraically if possible, and how would you solve a similar problem with the coefficient attached such that:
[tex]2e^{(x+1)} = e^{-(x+2)}[/tex]

I tried to solve it like this:-

[tex]2e^{(x+1)} = e^{-(x+2)}[/tex]

[itex]\Rightarrow[/itex][itex]2=\frac{e^{-x-2}}{e^{x+1}}[/itex]

[itex]\Rightarrow[/itex][itex]2=e^{-2x-3}[/itex]

[itex]\Rightarrow[/itex][itex]\log_e 2=-2x-3[/itex]

Try solving it further :smile:
 
I see how to solve that, but I am unsure how you reached this step?
[tex]2=e^{-2x-3}[/tex]

How does
[tex]\frac{e^{-x-2}}{e^{x+1}} = e^{-2x-3}[/tex]

You are just subtracting the exponents? I guess I never considered that lol.
 
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QuarkCharmer said:
I see how to solve that, but I am unsure how you reached this step?
[tex]2=e^{-2x-3}[/tex]

How does
[tex]\frac{e^{-x-2}}{e^{x+1}} = e^{-2x-3}[/tex]

You are just subtracting the exponents? I guess I never considered that lol.

Yeah, i am subtracting the exponents...:smile:
 
  • #11
QuarkCharmer said:
I see how to solve that, but I am unsure how you reached this step?
[tex]2=e^{-2x-3}[/tex]

How does
[tex]\frac{e^{-x-2}}{e^{x+1}} = e^{-2x-3}[/tex]

You are just subtracting the exponents? I guess I never considered that lol.
If you are brushing up on solving exponential equations, you really ought to review the basic rules of exponents and the rules of logarithms...
 
  • #12
Mark44 said:
If you are brushing up on solving exponential equations, you really ought to review the basic rules of exponents and the rules of logarithms...

I came to the same conclusion.
 

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