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The discussion revolves around the integration of a function involving logarithmic expressions, specifically focusing on the application of logarithmic laws and integration techniques. Participants are examining the steps taken in the integration process and the resulting logarithmic equations.

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ive got integral[(2/(2-z))+(2/(1+2z))]dz=integral dv/v

then the next line is ln|v|=-2ln|2-z|+ln|1+2z|+c

when i equate this i get rid of the 2 as a common factor integrate the V side first and multiply through by 1/2 giving me ln|2-z|+ln|1+2z|=1/2ln|v| which i don't think is the same as what my answer shows me can someone point out where I am going wrong please
 
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franky2727 said:
ive got integral[(2/(2-z))+(2/(1+2z))]dz=integral dv/v

then the next line is ln|v|=-2ln|2-z|+ln|1+2z|+c

when i equate this i get rid of the 2 as a common factor integrate the V side first and multiply through by 1/2 giving me ln|2-z|+ln|1+2z|=1/2ln|v| which i don't think is the same as what my answer shows me can someone point out where I am going wrong please

Hi franky2727! :smile:

i] multiplying through by 1/2 gives you ln|2-z|+ 1/2ln|1+2z|=1/2ln|v|

ii] don't do that!

as soon as you get a log equation like ln|v|=-2ln|2-z|+ln|1+2z|+c,

just un-log it (ie do e-to-the to both sides :wink:),

and you get … ? :smile:
 
sorry I am more confused as to where the -2 has came from in there answer i thought i would get ln|v| = 2ln|2-z|+2ln|1+2z| +c or am i making serious mistakes with my log laws?
 
franky2727 said:
sorry I am more confused as to where the -2 has came from in there answer i thought i would get ln|v| = 2ln|2-z|+2ln|1+2z| +c or am i making serious mistakes with my log laws?

Your ln|v|=-2ln|2-z|+ln|1+2z|+c is correct.

Next step:

eln|v| = … ? :smile:
 
franky2727 said:
sorry I am more confused as to where the -2 has came from in there answer i thought i would get ln|v| = 2ln|2-z|+2ln|1+2z| +c or am i making serious mistakes with my log laws?

It's not the log laws that are the problem. If you are getting that, then you are integrating wrong. To integrate [itex]\int dz/(1-z)[/itex] let u= 1- z and to integrate [itex]\int dz/(1+2z)[/itex] let u= 1+ 2z. What is du in each case?
 

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