Longitudinal waves in a quartz plate

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The discussion revolves around calculating Young's modulus for quartz using the properties of longitudinal waves in a quartz plate. The original poster presents a problem involving the relationship between frequency, wavelength, and thickness of the plate, while noting the specific mass of quartz.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to find the velocity of the waves but is uncertain due to the lack of information about the length of the plate. They express confusion about how to relate the variables involved in calculating Young's modulus.
  • Some participants suggest expressing the wavelength as a function of the thickness, while others clarify the relationship between frequency and wavelength in this context.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between frequency and wavelength, but there is still uncertainty about how to proceed without knowing the length of the plate.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes that the length of the plate is unknown, which complicates their calculations. There is also a focus on the implications of the base frequency and how it relates to the wave properties in the quartz material.

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Homework Statement


In a quartz longitudinal waves produce peaks on the 2 sides of the plate. the base frequency is:
##f_1=\frac{2.87E5}{s}##
Where s is the thickness. calculate Young's modulus of quartz.
\rho=specific mass=2.66[gr/cm3]

Homework Equations


\lambda=wavelength, u=velocity \lambda=\frac{u}{f}
E=young's modulus, u=\sqrt{\frac{E}{\rho}}

The Attempt at a Solution


I need to find the velocity u, but it depends on the length of the plate which i don't have. and even if i have the length, the frequency depends on the thickness. but since there is one Young modulus, since i was asked about, then there is one velocity.
If i write Young's modulus and the specific mass in their ingredients then the length cancels but then i have 3 other variables. and besides i am given \rho.
 
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Thanks for the post! Sorry you aren't generating responses at the moment. Do you have any further information, come to any new conclusions or is it possible to reword the post?
 
You can express the wavelength as a function of s, the thickness of the plate.
 
Yes, i can express the wavelength as a function of the thickness s but not as a function of the length hence i get many velocities u hence i cannot get one young's modulus E
 
What length?

And you don't get many velocities. They tell you that f is the base frequency. So you can find the base wavelength corresponding to maxima on the two faces (2s). And then the velocity.
 
Oh, now is see what you mean, i thought of the length as the long dimension of the plate, which is unknown, i will try to solve now
 

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