Looking for a material for a project

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The discussion revolves around finding a suitable material for a project that requires a sheet-shaped seal to prevent air passage. The participants explore various material options, focusing on properties such as compressibility, firmness, and the ability to bond with polypropylene.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the air permeability of foam rubber and suggests it may not be suitable due to potential porosity.
  • Another participant mentions the distinction between closed cell and open cell foam, indicating that open cell foam may be porous.
  • There is a suggestion to use two materials glued together, such as neoprene and a stiff plastic, to achieve the desired sealing effect.
  • A participant expresses concern about gluing materials to polypropylene, citing difficulties in adhesion.
  • Neoprene is proposed as a potential material, with a participant confirming it is closed cell and noting its use in scuba suits, while also mentioning its thermal insulation properties.
  • Questions arise regarding the compressibility of neoprene and whether it would flatten out like normal foam.
  • One participant humorously suggests lead as a material, while another proposes gluing non-foam rubber sheets onto fiberglass.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the suitability of different materials, particularly regarding neoprene and its properties. There is no consensus on the best approach or material, and multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes uncertainties about the bonding capabilities with polypropylene and the compressibility of neoprene, which may affect its performance as a seal.

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I'm looking for a sheet shaped material, maybe 12" by 12" and 1/4 inch thick, that can be used as a seal to keep air out, so it needs to not allow air to pass through it and it has to be a soft material that can compress, but not compress or bend too much. I was thinking something like foam rubber, but more firm. Can air pass through foam rubber?
Anyone have any ideas?
Thanks.
 
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I think it depends on the foam. There are two kinds, closed cell and open cell. The open cell may be porous.

Could you use two materials glued together? Like a neoprene sheet glued to a stiff plastic?
 
lisab said:
I think it depends on the foam. There are two kinds, closed cell and open cell. The open cell may be porous.

Could you use two materials glued together? Like a neoprene sheet glued to a stiff plastic?

Thanks for the response, and that's a good question. But I don't think so. If I used plastic, I would have to glue it to the polypropylene sheet of plastic that I have and from the research I've done, it seems like it's impossible to glue anything to polypropylene. I may not have to glue the foam rubber to the polypropylene, since just a little pressure on it would make air not be able to escape between the polypropylene and the foam rubber. So I would have to have the rubber in direct contact with the polypropylene.

But do you suggest maybe a thick sheet of neoprene? Is that closed cell?

Thanks.
 
leroyjenkens said:
Thanks for the response, and that's a good question. But I don't think so. If I used plastic, I would have to glue it to the polypropylene sheet of plastic that I have and from the research I've done, it seems like it's impossible to glue anything to polypropylene. I may not have to glue the foam rubber to the polypropylene, since just a little pressure on it would make air not be able to escape between the polypropylene and the foam rubber. So I would have to have the rubber in direct contact with the polypropylene.

But do you suggest maybe a thick sheet of neoprene? Is that closed cell?

Thanks.

Yes, neoprene is closed cell - it's what scuba suits are made of. It's a pretty good thermal insulator,btw (not sure if that's important in your application). It's not very stiff, but it would seal well.
 
Do you know anything about how much it compresses? I don't want it to flatten out like normal foam. I'd get a piece that's at least 1/4 of an inch.
 
lead? it's stiff and soft. :)

eh, maybe glue non-foam rubber sheets onto fiberglass?
 

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