Looking for answers about my cartesian diver

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a Cartesian diver in response to temperature changes and pressure dynamics within a sealed bottle. Participants explore the effects of thermal expansion of water and air, as well as the principles of pressure that govern the diver's movement.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their experience with a Cartesian diver that sank after a temperature increase in their home, suggesting that the heat caused water expansion, which increased pressure on the diver.
  • Another participant agrees that thermal expansion likely increased the water's volume and pressure, leading to the diver sinking, and notes that opening the bottle normalized the pressure.
  • A third participant questions whether the air space at the top of the bottle contributed to the pressure increase, proposing that air expansion might be a more significant factor.
  • The original poster expresses confusion about the principles of pressure and indicates uncertainty about the role of air expansion, noting a lack of air when the bottle was opened.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views regarding the factors affecting the diver's behavior, particularly the roles of water and air expansion. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the primary cause of the diver's sinking.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge varying levels of understanding regarding pressure principles, which may influence their interpretations of the situation. There are also uncertainties about the initial conditions of the bottle and the diver.

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Hello all,

I've got a quick question, I am sure it will be resolved by the first comment, but I'm just looking for a quick answer.
I brought home a pipette from my mothers lab last week and made a cartesian diver to show my wife, it worked perfectly for about 3 days, then yesterday afternoon (about 1) I left my home, and turned the air up to about 85°, my wife and I returned home about 10 p.m. and I noticed that the diver was at the bottom of the bottle. :confused:

My only guess is that the heat of the home caused the water to expand, but because it is trapped within the bottle, it had the same effect on the diver as the pressure applied from the outside. additionally, when I opened the bottle, some of the water squirted out, and the diver returned to the surface.

Thanks for any info!
 
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I've not heard of a cartesian diver before, sounds fun.

So I take it on the third day it was much hotter than the previous days? My best guess wold be the water would want to increase in volume with the increase in temperature (thermal expansion), but was constrained by the bottle, so its pressure increased. The air in the diver is compressible, so with the increase in water pressure the volume of the air in the diver reduces (and the pressure of the air increases too) so as you said, the diver sinks for the same reason as when you squeeze the bottle - more water in the diver. When you opened the bottle the water pressure normalised with the atmosphere and normal service was resumed. That would be my take, anyway. Is that what you were thinking too?
 
pnorm91 said:
My only guess is that the heat of the home caused the water to expand, but because it is trapped within the bottle, it had the same effect on the diver as the pressure applied from the outside. additionally, when I opened the bottle, some of the water squirted out, and the diver returned to the surface.

Could be expansion of the water but.. was there any air space at the top of the botle when you closed it? I reckon expansion of that air is more likely to blame for increasing the pressure.
 
there was some air in the top, just enough to keep from making a mess when I closed it. I am not really clear on a lot of principles of pressure and such, that was a really weak point in my studies of chemistry and physics, but I can't imagine it was due to air expansion because there was a total lack of air in the bottle when I unscrewed the lid. its all very confusing to me.
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