Classical Looking for simple materials for calculus of variations

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The discussion centers on learning the calculus of variations, particularly for applications in physics. Participants suggest various resources, with "Mathematical Methods for Physicists" by Arfken being mentioned as a suitable starting point, though its depth may vary based on individual needs. The Dover book by Elsgolc is also recommended for its clarity. Some contributors highlight their own experiences, noting that they learned the calculus of variations through physics texts like Landau and Lifshitz's work and Goldstein's "Classical Mechanics," which provide practical derivations. For those seeking a deeper understanding of the concepts, "Structure and Interpretation of Classical Mechanics" by Gerald Sussmann is suggested, as it addresses subtleties often overlooked in standard physics courses. Overall, the conversation emphasizes finding the right balance between practical calculation and deeper theoretical understanding.
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Hi, there. I have not systematically learned the calculus of variations. I would like to learn it now. Are there simple materials for the purpose of learning how to do the calculation in physics? No need for deeper consideration in mathematics.

Is Mathematical methods for physicists by Arfken sufficient?

Thanks in advance.
 
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caz said:
Arfken is fine. The real question is does it go into enough detail for YOU?

I always liked the Dover book by Elsgolc
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0486457990/?tag=pfamazon01-20
Thanks! I will try Arfken's book first. If that is not enough, I will consult Dover's book.
 
I've always learned calculus of variations directly from one of the physics books and found it to be adequate at a physicist's level (ability to push symbols and calculate). I learned it from Landau Lifshitz vol. 1 from the principle of least action calculation there. Goldstein Classical mechanics has a more verbose version of the same derivation. But beware that all those derivations are iffy.

For more subtle explanations of what is really going on (which is important but maybe not needed on the first run), you can consult the "structure and interpretation of classical mechanics" by Gerald Sussmann. What I found out was that a lot of the important subtleties are swept under the rug due to time in the typical physics course, but gerald sussman really emphasizes those.
 
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