Lorentz contraction of a light pulse

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a light pulse emitted from Earth towards the Moon, particularly focusing on the implications of Lorentz contraction as perceived by an extraterrestrial observer (ET). Participants explore the nature of light pulses in the context of special relativity, questioning whether such pulses experience Lorentz contraction and the conditions under which this might apply.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the light pulse is not Lorentz contracted, suggesting it may be due to the pulse not being a material object and therefore exempt from relativistic effects.
  • Another participant explains that length contraction is relative to the proper length of an object, noting that a pulse of light lacks a rest frame, which complicates the application of Lorentz contraction.
  • This participant further elaborates that while the length of the pulse does depend on the reference frame, it does not follow the typical length-contraction relationship due to the nature of light's propagation.
  • One participant asserts that if the ET is at rest with respect to the Earth and Moon, he would measure the same length as they do, implying a shared reference frame.
  • Another participant expresses a preference for using the full Lorentz transform equations over the simplified time dilation and length contraction formulas, suggesting that the latter emerge naturally from the former under specific conditions.
  • A participant clarifies that the only entity in motion is the light pulse itself, while the ET, Earth, and Moon are at rest relative to each other.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of Lorentz contraction to light pulses, with no consensus reached on whether or how it applies. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the ET's observations and the nature of the light pulse.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of applying relativistic effects to light pulses, noting the absence of a rest frame and the dependence on reference frames. There are unresolved aspects regarding the interpretation of length and time in different inertial frames.

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Suppose the earth, moon, and an extraterrestial observer(ET) are at the corner of an equilateral triangle. The Earth observer points a laser at the moon and emits a powerful laser pulse for exactly .01 seconds. The 1,860 mile long pulse travels to the moon in about 1.3 seconds. The ET knows that the pulse is .01 seconds long because he has been monitoring the Earth scientists' conversations, but the ET can't see the pulse in the vacuum of space. Suppose, however, there is a low density of dust particles in space that scatters some of the light in the direction of the ET(similar to the visualization of a searchlight beam on a foggy night). The ET will see a 1,862 mile long "blip" travel to the moon in 1.3 seconds.
Or will he?
The pulse is moving at the speed of light and the ET knows the pulse lasted for.01 seconds(1,862 miles long). Knowing that Lorentz contraction always shrinks an object in the direction of motion, the ET was expecting the Lorentz contrcted pulse to be shorter than 1,862 miles.What is the reason the light pulse is not Lorentz contracted? Is it because the pulse is not a material object and is therefore exempt from relativistic effects?
 
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Thecla said:
Suppose the earth, moon, and an extraterrestial observer(ET) are at the corner of an equilateral triangle. The Earth observer points a laser at the moon and emits a powerful laser pulse for exactly .01 seconds. The 1,860 mile long pulse travels to the moon in about 1.3 seconds. The ET knows that the pulse is .01 seconds long because he has been monitoring the Earth scientists' conversations, but the ET can't see the pulse in the vacuum of space. Suppose, however, there is a low density of dust particles in space that scatters some of the light in the direction of the ET(similar to the visualization of a searchlight beam on a foggy night). The ET will see a 1,862 mile long "blip" travel to the moon in 1.3 seconds.
Or will he?
The pulse is moving at the speed of light and the ET knows the pulse lasted for.01 seconds(1,862 miles long). Knowing that Lorentz contraction always shrinks an object in the direction of motion, the ET was expecting the Lorentz contrcted pulse to be shorter than 1,862 miles.What is the reason the light pulse is not Lorentz contracted? Is it because the pulse is not a material object and is therefore exempt from relativistic effects?

What is ET's relative motion to all this?
 
Thecla said:
What is the reason the light pulse is not Lorentz contracted?

Length contraction is always relative to the proper length of an object: the length of the object in its rest frame (the inertial reference frame in which it is at rest). But a pulse of light has no rest frame! It moves at speed c in any inertial reference frame.

The length of the pulse does depend on the reference frame, nevertheless. First consider the rest frame of the source. Let the time interval that the source is "on" be [itex]\Delta t_0[/itex]. Then the length of the pulse in this frame is [itex]L_0 = c \Delta t_0[/itex]. We can't call this the "proper length" of the pulse, but I'm going to call it [itex]L_0[/itex] anyway for convenience.

Now consider what this looks like in a frame in which the source is moving. Suppose the source is moving in the +x direction, and it emits the light in that direction, too. In this frame, the time duration of the pulse is greater because of time dilation: [itex]\Delta t = \gamma \Delta t_0[/itex] where as usual

[tex]\gamma = \frac {1} {\sqrt {1 - v^2/c^2}}[/tex]

Also suppose that in this frame, the source starts emitting when it's at x = 0. It stops emitting after time [itex]\Delta t[/itex]. At this time, the front edge of the pulse is at [itex]x_{front} = c \Delta t[/itex], and the rear edge of the pulse is at [itex]x_{rear} = v \Delta t[/itex] because that's where the (moving) source is at that time. So the length of the pulse in this frame is

[tex]L = c \Delta t - v \Delta t = (c - v) \Delta t = (c - v) \gamma \Delta t_0[/tex]

After some algebra we get

[tex]L = \sqrt { \frac {c - v} {c + v}} (c \Delta t_0) = \sqrt { \frac {c - v} {c + v}} L_0[/tex]

So the length of the pulse does depend on the velocity of the source, but it's not the length-contraction relationship.
 
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If the ET is at rest wrt the other observers involved then it will measure the same length as they do.

FYI, in general I discourage the use of the time dilation and length contraction formulas. I think it is always best to use the full Lorentz transform equations. The length contraction and time dilation formulas then automatically pop out whenever appropriate simply by setting certain terms equal to 0.
 
The ET the Earth and the moon are all at rest. The only thing moving is the light pulse.
 

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