Loudness of sound in air, liquid and solid

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The discussion revolves around the comparison of loudness of sound in different states of matter: gases, liquids, and solids. Participants explore the relationship between sound speed, elasticity, and loudness, examining how these factors influence sound perception in various media.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that sound in gases could be the loudest due to weak inter-particle bonds allowing gas particles to strike the eardrums with maximal force, leading to large amplitude.
  • Another participant counters that loudness depends on the elasticity of the material, which affects how much energy is lost to the material itself during sound wave distortion.
  • A third participant notes that loudness is a subjective term and is typically measured as sound pressure level (SPL), with different reference pressures for air and water.
  • A follow-up question is raised about the relationship between elasticity and energy loss, specifically how less elastic materials might lead to more energy loss and what forms that energy loss might take.
  • There is also a query regarding the definition of "elastic" in the context of sound waves compared to elastic collisions between particles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between sound loudness and the properties of gases, liquids, and solids, particularly regarding elasticity and energy loss. No consensus is reached on the primary factors influencing loudness across these states.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the implications of elasticity on sound propagation and loudness, but the discussion includes unresolved questions about energy loss mechanisms and definitions of elasticity in different contexts.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying acoustics, material science, or sound engineering, as well as individuals curious about the physics of sound in various media.

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Hi,

It is common knowledge that the speed of sound is greatest in solids, then liquids and finally gases. But just thinking, if all things remain equal, how will the loudness of sound compare in the 3 states?

My GUESS is that sound in gases could be the loudest. Loudness is defined as the amplitude of sound waves induced in the eardrums. In gases, the inter particle bonds is very weak, thus the gas particles can progress and strike the eardrums with maximal force, causing large amplitude. However, in solids, inter particle bonds is strong, thus these strong bonds will hold back the solid particles and the solid particles will not strike the ear drums with maximal force.

Why do fellow forummers think of my reasoning? Will be very glad to hear from you guys and gals!
 
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No, that depends upon the elasticity of the gas, liquid or solid- how strongly the material recovers from the distortion of the sound wave and so how little energy is lost to the material itself.
 
Loudness is a subjective term. Measurement of "loudness' in air is the sound pressure level or SPL. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound
It is also defined in water, but with a different reference pressure:
"Commonly used reference sound pressures, defined in the standard ANSI S1.1-1994, are 20 µPa in air and 1 µPa in water. "
Bob S
 
HallsofIvy said:
No, that depends upon the elasticity of the gas, liquid or solid- how strongly the material recovers from the distortion of the sound wave and so how little energy is lost to the material itself.

Hi HallsofIvy,

Thanks for your reply.

I understand the idea of elasticity (well, more or less). But i am not sure how the strength of elasticity relates to energy loss. According to your reasoning, does it then gather that the less strong the material recovers from the distortion of the sound wave, more energy is lost to the material itself? If so, what is the energy lost as? I mean, other than recovering from the distortion of the sound wave, what other outcomes are possible. (e.g. atoms moving about more randomly in other directions, other than in the direction back to the original?)

My last query is : when we talk about a elastic material, does the word "elastic" mean the same way as "elastic" when 2 particles collide, resulting in no energy loss (i.e. in the context of elastic collisions)?

Thanks everyone for your wonderful replies.
 

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