Low Air Pressure Training (exercise)

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The discussion centers around the concept of low air pressure training and its effects on the body, particularly through basic exercises like jogging and push-ups. Participants explore the feasibility of creating a facility designed for this purpose, including considerations of air resistance and physiological impacts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose conducting experiments on the effects of air resistance training during basic exercises.
  • There are suggestions to use nitrogen to dilute oxygen levels for creating low oxygen environments, with health and safety considerations emphasized.
  • Concerns are raised about the costs and design challenges of building a facility that simulates high altitude conditions.
  • One participant mentions the potential use of a hypobaric chamber as a safer alternative to a DIY setup.
  • It is noted that at low speeds, air resistance may be negligible, and the reduction in air pressure could have a more significant physiological impact.
  • Some participants question the necessity of the proposed training methods and suggest alternative approaches, such as using fan assistance to simulate drag.
  • There is a call for more information regarding the specific goals of the training to better assess the proposed methods.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness and necessity of low air pressure training, with no consensus reached on the best approach or the validity of the proposed methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions regarding the physiological effects of air pressure and resistance, as well as the practical challenges of facility design and safety considerations. The discussion remains open-ended with multiple perspectives presented.

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Looking to do a experiment on the effects of air resistance training on the body.
doing basic exercises such as jogging push ups. Maybe a couple of curls ;).got facility design herewondering what your thoughts and opinions on this would be.
 

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If you want to produce low concentrations of Oxygen, it may be cheaper (the mechanics of it) to obtain Nitrogen to dilute the O2 level in the air.
Needless to say, Health and Safety would be a huge consideration here. You would need continuous and reliable checking.
If you want to drop the ambient pressure to the equivalent of high altitudes you may find the physical design could be expensive.
PS I don't like the idea of a re-circulating system. Using fresh air would avoid the problem of hypoxia and CO2 (or even CO) poisoning that you can get with a closed system.
 
matt56 said:
got facility design here

wondering what your thoughts and opinions on this would be.
What shortcomings of currently available training methods are your trying to address, that would justify building such a facility?
 
A.T. said:
What shortcomings of currently available training methods are your trying to address, that would justify building such a facility?
A facility to simulate conditions at high altitude?
 
matt56 said:
Looking to do a experiment on the effects of air resistance training on the body.
doing basic exercises such as jogging push ups. Maybe a couple of curls ;).got facility design herewondering what your thoughts and opinions on this would be.
Maybe look for a Hypobaric Chamber (not Hyperbaric Chamber) facility near you, and see if you can rent time there. That would be much safer than you trying to McGyver some setup of your own.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypobaric_chamber

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At low speeds air resistance/drag is negligible. I think the reduction in air pressure would have a much greater impact on the persons physiology.

Not sure if it helps but in some countries pressures chambers are used to treat MS. Perhaps you could borrow one?
 
sophiecentaur said:
If you want to produce low concentrations of Oxygen,.
Mark44 said:
A facility to simulate conditions at high altitude?
berkeman said:
Maybe look for a Hypobaric Chamber
My interpretation of the proposed setup is a vertical wind tunnel, where you train in a downdraft. The OP is asking about the effects of air resistance, which is quite different than the title.
 
CWatters said:
I think the reduction in air pressure would have a much greater impact on the persons physiology.
Which was why I asked if the setup was to prepare for high altitudes. It didn't occur to me that the OP was concerned that air resistance would have any effect on jogging or pushups, which would be minimal if not actually unmeasurable.
 
We need more info about the purpose of all this. To reproduce the effect of low air pressure on drag you could just compensate with fan-assist. By far the cheaper option would be to follow a runner with a large fan, run at a suitable speed - arrived at by calculation. The sort of fan that's used to propel hovercraft could do the job.
Alternatively, why not run on a treadmill with a fan pushing you backwards - again with the appropriate air speed to produce the drag you'd expect at high altitude.
But what sort of drag are we talking about for a runner at 10km/hr?
 
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@matt56 Have you been put off by an over -enthusiastic response? PF is like that. :smile:
 
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