Low pressures at high velocities

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The discussion centers around the relationship between pressure and velocity in fluid dynamics, specifically addressing why pressure decreases as velocity increases. Participants explore theoretical explanations, including references to Bernoulli's principle and Newton's laws of motion.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that pressure is related to the frequency of particles colliding with the edges of a medium, suggesting that increased velocity results in fewer collisions.
  • Others reference Bernoulli's principle, arguing that the conservation of energy necessitates a decrease in pressure as velocity increases to maintain total energy balance.
  • A participant connects the discussion to Newton's Second Law, stating that to accelerate a fluid, higher pressure must be applied upstream compared to downstream.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about visualizing the concepts, indicating a reliance on equations despite a lack of intuitive understanding.

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Participants present multiple competing views regarding the mechanisms behind the pressure-velocity relationship, and the discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions of pressure and velocity, and the discussion does not resolve the underlying assumptions or mathematical steps involved in the explanations provided.

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Why does pressure decrease as velocity increases, I think it is because pressure is defined as particles hitting the edge of the medium so when velocity increases the particles hit the edge of the medium less but how?
 
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It is called the Bernoulli's effect or principle and is to do with the conservation of energy. If speed increases then pressure has to decrease so the total energy remains the same.
 
Jewish_Vulcan said:
Why does pressure decrease as velocity increases, I think it is because pressure is defined as particles hitting the edge of the medium so when velocity increases the particles hit the edge of the medium less but how?
This is an F = ma (Newton's Second Law) kind of thing. If the velocity is increasing, then the fluid is being accelerated. In order to accelerate the fluid, you need to apply a higher pressure (force per unit area) upstream than downstream.

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Chestermiller said:
This is an F = ma (Newton's Second Law) kind of thing. If the velocity is increasing, then the fluid is being accelerated. In order to accelerate the fluid, you need to apply a higher pressure (force per unit area) upstream than downstream.

Chet
ok thank you, I was thinking that but could not really visualize it, I guess sometimes you just have to trust equations even if they do not make sense...
 

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