Lumped parameters model: inverse dynamic

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around modeling ground excitation in a single degree of freedom system using lumped parameters. Participants explore methods to convert ground displacement into equivalent force excitation for use in multibody simulation tools that do not support ground displacement directly.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a method involving adding a large mass to the base to calculate the force needed to move it according to the ground excitation function s(t).
  • Another approach suggested involves connecting the base to the ground with a large stiffness and applying a force proportional to s(t).
  • A participant reports success with the large mass method but inquires about the approaches used in multibody simulations.
  • Another participant expresses that the large mass method did not work as intended, indicating that the ground mass motion was influenced by the rest of the model, and requests alternative suggestions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the effectiveness of the large mass method, as one participant found it successful while another did not. Multiple competing views on modeling approaches remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the modeling methods, particularly regarding the influence of the rest of the model on ground mass motion and the assumptions underlying the proposed approaches.

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Hi all, I have a ground excited single degree of freedom model, like that:

http://www.bsw-schwingungstechnik.de/fileadmin/user_upload/images/2/graphic-passiv-isolation.jpg

I know the excitation function, i.e. s(t), but I need to know the force that imposes a specific s(t). I need it, because I want to simulate a model (little bit more complex) with a multibody tool, that it doesn't allow to excite systems with a ground displacement. So I need to convert the ground excitation with an equivalent force excitation. How could I do that for the single degree of freedom model? Any suggestion is appreciated.
Hopefully the problem is well stated.

thanks

Cheers

Pietro
 
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You can model this be adding a large mass (say 1000 times the rest of the model) to the base, and then calculate the force to move the mass according to s(t) ignoring the rest of the model.

Or, you can connect the base to the ground with a large stiffness ##K##, and apply a force ##Ks(t)## to it.

These modelling methods are usually (and unimaginatively!) called the "large mass" and "large stiffness" methods.
 
AlephZero said:
You can model this be adding a large mass (say 1000 times the rest of the model) to the base, and then calculate the force to move the mass according to s(t) ignoring the rest of the model.

Or, you can connect the base to the ground with a large stiffness ##K##, and apply a force ##Ks(t)## to it.

These modelling methods are usually (and unimaginatively!) called the "large mass" and "large stiffness" methods.

Hi,

thanks for your reply, I tried with the large mass method and it works fine. Which approach do multibody sw use?
 
Hi alphazero,

I tried the large mass method, but it doesn't work, the ground mass motion is always affected by the rest of the model. Any other suggestion is appreciated.

thanks

regards
 

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