Magdeburg hemispheres(action and reaction pair)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Magdeburg hemispheres and the principles of action and reaction, particularly in the context of forces applied by horses and the implications of atmospheric pressure. Participants explore the historical experiment involving the hemispheres and the mechanics of force readings in a pulley system.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the equivalence of two horses pulling the hemispheres with the same force as one horse pulling while the other hemisphere is secured to a tree, seeking clarification on the assumptions involved.
  • Another participant suggests a method to analyze the force readings in a pulley system, emphasizing that the readings remain unchanged regardless of whether additional masses are present, provided the system is secured.
  • A participant confirms the historical context of the Magdeburg hemispheres experiment, explaining that it demonstrated the inability of two teams of horses to separate the hemispheres due to atmospheric pressure.
  • Another participant adds that if one had more horses, chaining one hemisphere to a sturdy object while using all horses to pull the other would effectively test the same pressure holding the hemispheres together.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the historical significance of the Magdeburg hemispheres experiment and the mechanics of force readings in the described scenarios. However, there is some uncertainty regarding the initial question about the forces applied by the horses and the assumptions behind it.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the setup of the experiments and the definitions of forces involved remain unspecified, which may affect interpretations of the scenarios discussed.

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My friend said that two horses pull the Magdeburg hemispheres with same force is as same as a horse pulls the Magdeburg hemispheres which is tell on a tree(I may forget the details about the assumption)
Why?
Another Q. about action and reaction
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i don't know why the reading isn't 2Mg,but is Mg
Assume the strings are light and the pulley is smooth.
 
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I don't understand what the first question is asking, but you can understand the diagram like this. Put a second spring and meter on the other side also, what does it read? (By symmetry, it reads the same as the first side, call this reading W.) Now put a nail through the box on the top, do any of its readings change? (No it still reads W, the reading is how much the string is stretched, it makes no difference if the box the springs are attached to is nailed down or not.) Now remove the second mass altogether, keeping the box nailed down. Does the reading change? (No, it was nailed down, it doesn't matter if the other mass is there or not.) What is that reading, what must W equal?
 
Analysis is correct.

He is referencing a historic experiment (demonstration) where two teams of horses (8 per side) failed to separate the two halves of an evacuated sphere, the two sides of the sphere having nothing clamping them together but atmospheric pressure.

Someone then suggested that it was unnecessary to use two teams of eight horses, that a single team of eight with the other side chained to a sturdy tree would have tested the same pressure holding the sphere halves together... he was correct, as are you.
 
Good point, or if one had 16 horses to begin with and wanted to separate the spheres, it would have been better to chain one half to something sturdy, and set all 16 horses to pulling on the other half!
 

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