Magnet falling thru copper tube -- How does the process occur visually?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the phenomenon of a magnet falling through a copper tube, specifically exploring the visual and physical processes involved, including induced currents and magnetic interactions. The scope includes theoretical explanations and conceptual clarifications related to electromagnetic induction and magnetic braking.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the induced current in the copper tube acts like a single turn solenoid, creating a vertical magnetic field that opposes the falling magnet.
  • One participant expresses curiosity about the sound of the magnet spinning inside the tube.
  • Another participant argues that the magnet cannot be spinning due to the absence of torque, suggesting that the sounds are likely from the magnet clanking against the tube's sides.
  • A detailed explanation is provided regarding the induced currents circulating in opposite directions above and below the magnet, reinforcing or decreasing the magnetic flux as the magnet falls.
  • It is noted that the superposition of the magnetic fields from the induced currents results in equivalent magnetic effects that attract and repel the falling magnet, illustrating the concept of magnetic braking.
  • One participant presumes that as the magnet descends, the circulating current rings may have a small downward component related to Ohmic losses.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views regarding the behavior of the magnet and the sounds produced during its fall, with no consensus reached on the nature of the sounds or the implications of the induced currents.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of induced currents and their effects, as well as the interpretation of sounds produced during the magnet's descent. There are unresolved aspects regarding the precise nature of the currents and their relationship to the magnet's motion.

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I think it is correct. The current induced in the tube circulates round it and turns it into a single turn solenoid. This produces a vertical magnetic field opposing that of the magnet.
 
I am, however, very interested that the magnet sounds as if it is spinning in the tube.
 
The magnet is not spinning because there can be no torque acting on it. The sounds you hear is most likely clanking as it hits the sides of the tube. Now for the explanation. Look at the left drawing in the figure below. There are induced currents in the tube (Shown in cross section) that circulate in opposite directions in the segments of the tube above and below the instantaneous position of the middle of the falling magnet at the dotted line. Typical rings of induced current are shown. Above the magnet the flux lines are decreasing as the magnet falls therefore the induced current will flow as shown to reinforce the decreasing "up lines". Below the magnet the flux lines are increasing in the up direction, therefore the induced current will flow as shown to decrease them.

Now look at the right drawing in the figure. The superposition of the magnetic fields produced by the sum total of all the rings above the magnet is equivalent to a "permanent" magnet oriented as shown. Likewise for the total sum of all the rings below. Note that the top equivalent magnet attracts the falling magnet while the bottom equivalent magnet repels it. In short, the induced current in both segments of the copper tube runs in the direction that always opposes the motion of the falling magnet. That's magnetic braking.

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As the magnet descends, the circulating current rings move down the tube. So I presume there is a small downward component of current, maybe corresponding to the Ohmic losses.
 

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