Calculating the terminal velocity of a magnet falling through a copper coil

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The discussion revolves around calculating the terminal velocity of a magnet falling through a copper coil, exploring the effects of coil properties, magnet strength, and the formation of eddy currents. The scope includes theoretical calculations, experimental observations, and considerations for practical applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a detailed calculation for terminal velocity using specific dimensions and properties of the magnet and coil, resulting in a value of 1E-4 m/s.
  • Another participant questions the setup of the coil, specifically how the ends are connected and the mechanism for eddy currents to form, which are necessary for generating a retarding force.
  • A participant confirms that the coil ends are connected to allow current flow and that previous experiments with a weaker magnet and a different gauge wire did not achieve sufficient damping or current flow.
  • One participant notes that the equation used in the initial calculation assumes a solid tube, and based on their experimental observations, they argue that the terminal velocity should be higher than the calculated value, suggesting that copper coils are less effective at damping than solid copper tubes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the expected terminal velocity, with some suggesting that the calculated value is too low compared to experimental results. There is no consensus on the accuracy of the model or the assumptions made regarding the coil's properties.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in the assumptions made about the coil's configuration and the effectiveness of eddy currents in generating damping forces. The relationship between the theoretical model and experimental outcomes remains unresolved.

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This discussion may be of interest to those involved in experimental physics, engineering applications related to magnetic damping, and individuals exploring the design of systems utilizing magnetic fields and conductive materials.

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The magnet being used

[CODE lang="matlab" title="The main body code."]% magnet dimensions [m]

d = .0127;
r = .00238;

%mass of magnet [kg]

m_w = .0017;

% other constants

u_0 = 1.26E-6; % permeability of free space constant T m/A
g = 9.81; % gravitational constant in/s^2

%coil properties [22 gauge wire] [m]

a = .00635; %radius
w = .000635; %width of wire
N = 100; % number of turns
c = pi*a*2; %circumference
wl = c*N; %wire length
cs = pi*(w/2)^2; %cross sectional area
rho = 1.7e-8; % resistivity of copper [ohm/m]
wr = (rho*wl)/cs; % resistance in wire [ohm]
lt = 0.3048; % length of tube

%magnetic properties

sm = 72730000; % magnetic surface charge density [Mx/m^2]

qm = pi*sm*r^2; %

eff_dist = .003175;

%terminal velocity

p = qm*d;

x = d/a;

val = scalingfunction(x);

v = (8*pi*m_w*g*rho*a^2)/(u_0^2*qm^2*w*val);
[/CODE]

[CODE lang="matlab" title="The scaling function code."]function [val] = scalingfunction(x)
fun = @(x,y) ((1./(y.^2+1).^(3/2))-(1./((y+x).^2 + 1)).^(3/2)).^2;
val = integral(@(y) fun(x,y),-Inf,Inf);
end[/CODE]

terminal velocity ends up being: 1E-4 m/s
 

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rayjbryant said:
I'm attempting to calculate the terminal velocity of a magnet falling through a copper coil by assuming there are enough turns to treat it as a copper tube.
How is your coil terminated? Are the ends connected together? How are eddy currents going to form in a coil to generate a retarding force?

When you use a copper tube in your simulation, do you get the expected result?
 
Yes, the ends are connected to allow current to flow and eddy currents to form. The desired effect was achieved with a physical model using a weaker magnet and 20 gauge coil but not enough damping or current flow occurred. The purpose of this code is to find a combination of magnet strength, wire size, and turn number to build a model that will work to desired specifications. After which a cost analysis will be performed to see if the system is economically feasible to use in the desired commercial application.
 
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And sorry I misread the first part of your post. The equation used in the code to calculate the terminal velocity automatically assumes the apparatus is a solid tube. I've performed several copper tube and magnet experiments as well as observed quite a few, and none have a terminal velocity as low as 1E-4 m/s. If any error does occur, it should be an experimental terminal velocity higher than the computer model, since copper coils are not as effective at damping as copper tubes.
 
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