Magnet Force Q: Repel/Attract at 3cm Distance

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the forces experienced by magnets in relation to a magnetic substance (referred to as substance Q) when positioned at a distance of 3cm. Participants explore the conditions under which an attracting magnet and a repelling magnet interact with substance Q, focusing on the nature of the forces involved and the necessary conditions for equivalence in force.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether an identical magnet repelling substance Q at a distance of 3cm would experience a force of -X, similar to the attracting magnet, or if there is a distance ratio involved.
  • Another participant suggests that the force experienced by the magnets depends on the field gradient due to substance Q, as well as the pole strength, length, and orientation of the magnets.
  • A later reply emphasizes that if the field due to Q is isotropic, the gradient will be the same at all positions 3cm away from Q, and that both magnets must have identical dimensions and opposite orientations for the forces to be comparable.
  • There is a suggestion that if both magnets are identical and positioned similarly, the forces should be identical.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the forces experienced by the magnets depend on their positioning and characteristics, but there is no consensus on the exact relationship between the forces of attraction and repulsion at the specified distance.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of factors such as the field gradient, isotropy of the magnetic field, and the orientation of the magnets, which may influence the forces experienced but are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Ok so, i think this is kinda a basic question but here goes. I am building a machine that uses magnets and desperately need to eliminate a zero point so the movement will be smooth so what i need to know is if you have a magnet being attracted to substance Q and the magnet has a 3cm distance from substance Q and is being attracted to substance Q at a force of X then will an identical magnet repelling substance Q at a distance of 3cm experience a force of -X? or is their a distance ratio? Of course substance Q is magnetic with + and - poles. any info or help would be greatly appreciated. :smile:
 
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Could you draw a picture? That description is really confusing.

Is this it? M -- Q -- m Where M is the first "attractive" magnet and m is the 2nd, "repelling" one.

My initial guess would be that you are right.
 
Green Zach said:
Ok so, i think this is kinda a basic question but here goes. I am building a machine that uses magnets and desperately need to eliminate a zero point so the movement will be smooth so what i need to know is if you have a magnet being attracted to substance Q and the magnet has a 3cm distance from substance Q and is being attracted to substance Q at a force of X then will an identical magnet repelling substance Q at a distance of 3cm experience a force of -X? or is their a distance ratio? Of course substance Q is magnetic with + and - poles. any info or help would be greatly appreciated. :smile:
The force comes from the field gradient due to Q at the position of the magnet as well as the pole strength, length and orientation of the magnet. If the field due to Q is isotropic, then the gradient will be the same at all positions 3cm away from Q. The important thing then is to get the second magnet to have the exact same dimensions and the exact opposite orientation to the first. I assume that Q is fixed rigidly and thus, can not move.
 
Gokul43201 said:
The force comes from the field gradient due to Q at the position of the magnet as well as the pole strength, length and orientation of the magnet. If the field due to Q is isotropic, then the gradient will be the same at all positions 3cm away from Q. The important thing then is to get the second magnet to have the exact same dimensions and the exact opposite orientation to the first. I assume that Q is fixed rigidly and thus, can not move.

so as long as both magnets A and B are identical than both + and - forces should be identical?
 
Yes, so long as A and B are placed in virtually identical positions.
 

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