Magnet in copper tube lab calculations (Lenz's Law)

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a magnet dropped through a copper tube, focusing on Lenz's Law and the associated calculations for magnetic field strength and induced current. Participants are exploring the dynamics of the system, including forces acting on the magnet and the resulting current in the copper tube.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the magnet, including gravitational force and induced magnetic force. Questions arise regarding the length of the current path and the nature of the current induced in the copper tube. There is also exploration of the relationship between the velocity of the magnet and the copper tube.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning various assumptions and definitions, such as the nature of the current and its length. Some guidance is provided regarding the direction of the magnetic field and the forces on electrons, but no consensus has been reached on the specific equations or values needed for calculations.

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Participants note the average speed of the magnet and its terminal velocity, as well as the implications of these factors on the induced current. There is uncertainty regarding the charge of the electrons and the exact equations to use for calculating the magnetic field and current.

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Homework Statement


a magnet that weighs 2.6 grams is dropped through a 1.53 metre tube. the average time taken for it to go through is 1.59 seconds.

I need to find the strength of the magnetic field and the current

Homework Equations



Fg=mg
B=F/Ilsintheta

The Attempt at a Solution



Fg=0.025N[down]
Fsum=0.0031N[down]
Fm=0.023N[up]

I=?
B=?
l=1.53m
Fm=0.023N
 
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any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated.
 
the magnet speed is essentially constant here, at 1 m/s .
(avg. accel = 1.2 m/s^2)

What do you mean by Ft ?
 
the sum of the forces or total force
 
so , where is this current ... do we know its length?

what causes this current to flow?
 
the magnetic field induces a current in the copper tube
 
so do you think the length of the current is 2pi r , or 1.5 m ?

and we need the velocity of the copper , relative to the magnet.
 
i don't know

velocity of the copper?
 
the current travels AROUND the circumference of the tube ; L = 2 pi R .

velocity of the copper RELATIVE TO the magnet , is velocity of its electrons thru B.

What direction is the magnetic Field in the copper? DRAW IT
Force on the electrons = e v x B
 
  • #10
the magnetic field is pointing up
 
  • #11
what about the magnitudes of the current and magnetic field, what equations do i use?
 
  • #12
Magnetic Field caused by the bar magnet , within the copper tube,
has to point OUT through the copper ,
in order to intercept the charges and apply Force to them.

As seen by the bar magnet : the electrons in the copper were moving upward ,
when they got into the magnet's B-field and were deflected by horizontal Force.
in F = q v x B , F is perp. to v and is perp. to B .
 
  • #13
so i use F=qvB to find B? I don't know the charge either
 
  • #14
lightgrav said:
the magnet speed is essentially constant here, at 1 m/s .
(avg. accel = 1.2 m/s^2)

What do you mean by Ft ?

how did you find acceleration, i got a different value

What is the net force
 
  • #15
= ½ a t^2 , so a = 2x/t^2 , but that's an "average" acceleration.
at slow magnet speed, the electrons have very little Force applied to them,
so they make a very small current around the copper tube
and waste very little Power (as I^2 R in the tube as resistor, ).
So the magnet very quickly reaches "terminal velocity" stays at that speed,
where its grav.PE power = F v is dissipated in the tube's I^2 R = I V .
and grav. Force mg is canceled by I 2 pi r B

so use constant speed, about 1 m/s
 

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