Magnetic field at a distance - epxression

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding an expression for the pull force of a cylindrical Neodymium permanent magnet at various distances from the magnet. Participants explore how magnetic flux density (B) varies with distance and seek to understand the relationship between pull force and distance from the magnet.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about an expression relating pull force to magnetic flux density and distance from the magnet.
  • Another participant notes the lack of a specific expression for calculating magnetic flux density at a distance for a cylindrical permanent magnet, suggesting the need for simulation to obtain field values.
  • A participant proposes that, at sufficient distances, the magnet can be approximated as a magnetic dipole moment, providing a formula for B in terms of the dipole moment and distance.
  • There is a question about how to approach points closer to the magnet, where the magnetic field gradient is steeper.
  • One suggestion involves conducting an experiment using a spring device to measure the force at various distances from the magnet.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the appropriate expressions for magnetic flux density at different distances, particularly near the surface of the magnet. There is no consensus on a definitive formula or approach, and multiple viewpoints on experimental methods and theoretical approximations are presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations in available expressions for magnetic flux density specific to cylindrical permanent magnets and the challenges in accurately modeling the magnetic field at varying distances.

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Hello,

I have a cylindrical Neodymium permanent magnet. I need to find the pull force of the magnet at various distances from the magnet. Is there an expression relating the pull force(or attractive force) to the magnetic flux density B and the distance from the cylindrical magnet? What is the expression that tells us how the B varies with distance?

The parameters I have for the magnet are here

http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=D2C .

Thanks,

rsr_life
 
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The wiki doesn't seem to have an expression listed for calculating magnetic flux density at a distance for a cylindrical permanent magnet. There's no current involved, so I just want to be able to simulate and get field values at different points from the magnet.

Seems there should be a straightforward expression to do this, maybe involving partial derivatives.

Thanks.
 
Far enough away, most magnets can be approximated as a magnetic dipole moment m, which is a vector. For a magnetic dipole m at the origin and oriented in the z-direction, you get

[tex]\vec{B} = {\mu_o m \over {4\pi r^3}} (2\cos\theta \hat{r} + \sin\theta\hat{\theta})[/tex]

The trick for your problem will be to find out a good guess at m. As usual, Wikipedia has some good information.
 
Thanks for that. What about points closer to the magnet - near the surface, for example, where the gradient is steeper?
 
Maybe you can find an equation by experiment. Could you use some type of spring device (to messure weight) with a iron-mass on it and find the force at different points around the magnet? Say; leave the spring hanging and moving the magnet at different positions under the mass?
 

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