Magnetic field at origin because of 3 wires

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The discussion revolves around determining the magnetic field at the origin due to a current loop consisting of three wires. The problem involves the application of magnetic field equations, particularly in the context of finite-length wires.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the equation for the magnetic field from straight wires, questioning its applicability given the finite length of the wires. There is an exploration of alternative equations, including the Biot-Savart law and Ampere's law, with some uncertainty about their suitability for the problem at hand.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring different approaches to the problem, with some guidance offered regarding the use of the Biot-Savart law. There is an acknowledgment of the challenges posed by the non-uniformity of the magnetic field and the limitations of the equations discussed.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the need for a formula that accounts for the finite length of the wires, which is a critical consideration in the discussion. Participants express uncertainty about the symmetry of the field and its implications for applying Ampere's law.

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Homework Statement


Determine the magnetic field (in terms of I, a, and d) at the origin due to the current loop shown in Figure P30.14. (Use mu_0 for µ0, pi for π, a, d, and I as necessary.)

http://www.webassign.net/pse/pse6_p30-14.gif

Homework Equations


B=mu_0(I)/(2pi*r) for straight lines


The Attempt at a Solution


http://www.webassign.net/cgi-bin/symimage.cgi?expr=2%28%28mu_0%29I%29%2F%282pi%2Asqrt%28d^2%2Ba^2%29%29-%28mu_0%29I%2F%282pi%2Ad%29&size=4

What I did was, since the ones on the left and right are equal, and in the same direction, I found the distance between the two wires (the square root in the equation), plugged that in for r, and multiplied it by 2. For the horizontal wire, I just plugged d into r. This is in the opposite direction by right hand rule, so I made it negative.

What am I doing wrong? Help!
 
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irishbob said:

Homework Equations


B=mu_0(I)/(2pi*r) for straight lines
That equation only works when the wires can be considered infinitely long. That is not the case here.

Do you have any other formulas that deal the magnetic field due to a wire of any length?
 
Ah.

Well there's the B-S law
B=(μ_0*I)/(4pi)*∫(d*(l x r(hat))/r^2

and

Ampere's law:
∫(enclosed) B·dl=μ_0 I(enclosed)

and for Ampere's it has to be highly symmetrical with constant field for us to use it easily.

I still don't know which to use. It seems like it would be difficult to use Ampere's law because the field isn't uniform. Or is it? I'm not so great at this :P
 
The Biot-Savart law is the one to use.
 
Thanks! :D
 

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