Magnetic field index of refraction

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The discussion centers around the concept of whether a magnetic field refracts when it enters a different medium, particularly in the context of magnetostatic situations and the analogy to the index of refraction in dielectrics. Participants explore the implications of permeability and the behavior of magnetic field lines at boundaries between different media.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a magnetic field does refract when entering a medium with different permeability, drawing parallels to the behavior of electric fields in dielectrics.
  • Others argue that while the magnetic field changes direction, it does not refract in the strict sense, as refraction is a wave phenomenon, and the magnetic field itself is not a wave.
  • A distinction is made between magnetostatic cases and electromagnetic wave scenarios, with some suggesting that the refractive index is more relevant to electromagnetic waves than to static magnetic fields.
  • One participant questions the implications of the phrasing "when it enters," suggesting that it implies energy flow and wave behavior, which may not be applicable in all contexts.
  • Another participant provides a modified version of Snell's Law for magnetostatic cases, indicating a relationship between the angles of incidence and refraction and the permeability of the media.
  • A later reply introduces an alternative formulation of the relationship between angles and permeability, referencing external material for further exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of magnetic field behavior at boundaries, with no consensus reached on whether the term "refraction" is appropriate in this context. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of magnetic field behavior in relation to wave phenomena.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential ambiguity in terminology such as "refraction" and the dependence on the definitions of magnetic fields and waves. The discussion also highlights the distinction between static and dynamic scenarios, which may influence interpretations.

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Does a magnetic field refract when it enters into a different medium?
 
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Yes. In going from air into a medium with permeability u at an angle, H-parallel is continuous at the boundary, and the normal component of B=uH is continuous at the boundary, so the B lines appear to "refract" as they enter the medium with permeability u. So u is the equivalent of the index of refraction in dielectrics.



Bob S
 
More precisely, u is the equivalent of epsilon and determines the refraction in magnetostatic situations. The refractive index determines the refraction of electromagnetic waves i.e. of both their electric and magnetic field components.
 
Hm, the magnetic field changes direction, but it doesn't refract (in the strict sense of the word), as refraction is a wave phenomenon. Giving a easier example: when Earth orbits around the Sun, it constantly changes direction, but it's not refracting. Of course, when a magnetic field is part of a electromagnetic wave, then both the wave and the magnetic field change direction (except in normal incidence, of course), but we can only say the wave has refracted. The maximum we can say about the magnetic field is that it has changed direction.

@DrDu: well, not quite.
You can say the whole wave refracts, but its constituent electric and magnetic fields don't refract, since the aren't waves. And u isn't the "refraction index" for the magnetostatic case, for the same reasons.
 
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The question is really a bit too open, I think. "When it enters" sounds like some energy flow (i.e. wave) is involved / implied.

In any case, if not referring to a wave, why should a magnetic 'field line' not have its direction modified across a boundary? If current flow and Electric fields change, what's so unimaginable?
 
My earlier post referred to static magnetic field B lines crossing a magnetic boundary from one permeability to another, where my statement that the direction of the "field lines appear to "refract" " is nearly equivalent to a "Snell's Law" sin i/sin r = μ. Because this is a magnetostatic case, there is no wavelength or wave velocity involved. Because μ is usually >>1 in most magnetic materials, the magnetic field lines inside the permeable material are usually nearly perpendicular to the boundary.

Bob S
 
Bob : I am very interested in your modified "Snell's Law" sin i/sin r = μ. How is this derived/proved ?

Alan P
 
The 'refraction' could be Tan r/Tan i = 1/μ. See webmit.edu/6.013_book/www/chapter9/9.6.html

Alan Payne
 

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