Magnetic field of a moving charge and coulombs force

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The discussion revolves around the magnetic field generated by a moving charge, particularly in the context of relativistic effects and the application of Coulomb's force. Participants explore the implications of the gamma factor (ϒ) in the equations describing the magnetic field, comparing different sources and interpretations of the results.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula for the magnetic field of a moving charge that includes the gamma factor, questioning whether this is correct or if other sources are using a non-relativistic approximation.
  • Several participants seek clarification on the meaning of the gamma factor (ϒ) and its relevance to the magnetic field calculations.
  • Another participant suggests that the gamma factor should not be present, arguing that as the speed of the charge approaches the speed of light, the magnetic field does not approach infinity.
  • In contrast, a later reply indicates that the gamma factor can be relevant, especially when considering the electric and magnetic fields measured at ultra-relativistic speeds.
  • Discussion includes references to the Liénard-Wiechert potential, noting that it accounts for acceleration and angle dependence, complicating the analysis of the magnetic field.
  • One participant points out discrepancies between different sources regarding the fields produced by a moving charge, suggesting that the field strength may scale with gamma while the time of the pulse scales inversely with gamma.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of the gamma factor in the magnetic field equation. There is no consensus on whether the presence of the gamma factor is correct or if it should be omitted, indicating ongoing disagreement and uncertainty in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference specific equations and sources, highlighting that the discussion is influenced by the definitions and assumptions made in those contexts. The complexity of the Liénard-Wiechert potential and its implications for the magnetic field are noted as significant factors in the debate.

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By relativity+coulombs force, I worked out that the (magnitude of the) magnetic field of a charge Q moving at speed V should be (ϒVV/c2)Q/(4πε0r2) or in terms of mu, ϒVμ0VQ/(4πr2) (where the distance r is measured normal to V).

When I google the answer I only find the same thing but without the gamma factor. Did I make a mistake or are they just using the non-relativistic approximation ϒ≈1?
 
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DuckAmuck said:
ϒV is the gamma factor of relativity associated with speed V

I saw that page when I googled the question; the result is almost the same as mine, but they are lacking the gamma factor.

So my question again: is their result exact and mine wrong, or is their result approximate (for V<< c) and mine correct?

@kuruman Thanks for the reply but it's a bit much; can't you just say yes or no as to if ϒ should appear in the answer?
 
The gamma factor should not be there. As speed of charge approaches c, current does not approach infinity, and magnetic field does not approach infinity.

I changed my mind:
The gamma factor can be there. If a charge passes a physicist at ultra-relativistic speed, the physicist measures: 1: A huge electric field 2: A huge magnetic field.

@Hiero does your Coulomb force approach infinity when speed approaches c?
 
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Hiero said:
@kuruman Thanks for the reply but it's a bit much; can't you just say yes or no as to if ϒ should appear in the answer?
If you look at the equation for ##\mathbf B(\mathbf r,t)## in section "Corresponding values of electric and magnetic fields" in the reference that I gave you, you will see that ##\gamma## appears together with a whole lot other stuff for a relativistically correct expression of what you seek. It may seem a bit much, but it is what it is.
 
The Lienard-Wierchert potential allows for an acceleration of the charge, and gives the angle dependence, which is why it is complicated.
If you remove the acceleration (##\dot{\beta} = 0##) and look at the charge perpendicular to the motion, it is dramatically simplified. Then ##\mathbf{\beta} \times \mathbf{n} = \beta, \mathbf{\beta} \cdot \mathbf{n} = 0##
##B=\frac{\mu_0}{4\pi} \frac{qv(1-\beta^2)}{r^2}=\frac{\mu_0}{4\pi} \frac{qv}{\gamma^2 r^2}##
 
Khashishi said:
The Lienard-Wierchert potential allows for an acceleration of the charge, and gives the angle dependence, which is why it is complicated.
If you remove the acceleration (##\dot{\beta} = 0##) and look at the charge perpendicular to the motion, it is dramatically simplified. Then ##\mathbf{\beta} \times \mathbf{n} = \beta, \mathbf{\beta} \cdot \mathbf{n} = 0##
##B=\frac{\mu_0}{4\pi} \frac{qv(1-\beta^2)}{r^2}=\frac{\mu_0}{4\pi} \frac{qv}{\gamma^2 r^2}##
Well, to this I would say that the gamma factor should not be there, because the magnetic field is not supposed to approach zero when the speed approaches c.
 
Hmm, the fields given in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liénard–Wiechert_potential don't seem to agree with the fields given here
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node125.html
Note that the latter source assumes a constant velocity.

I think Hiero's answer agrees with Fitzpatrick's for the case where ##u_r=0##, which is the case when viewing a charge where the ray from the apparent position to the viewer is perpendicular to the motion.

I'll have to mull this over. I believe the field strength scales as ##\gamma## as the charge passes by, but the time of the pulse scales as ##1/\gamma##.
The field lines are squashed into a pancake shape.
 

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